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Sunday, December 17, 2023

ANALYSIS: Neil Young's Song "TIME FADES AWAY" & "fourteen junkies too weak to work”



 

In honor of the historic 50th anniversary of the legendary Neil Young album "TIME FADES AWAY", here is a deep dive into the album's title song "TIME FADES AWAY" by George K.



Nothing is too arcane to discuss for the hard-core Neil Young fan, it seems - especially for this group of fine people. 

I was thinking about the song, TIME FADES AWAY, and wondering just exactly why Neil chose to use the numbers 14 and 13 “junkies too weak to work” in the lyrics to this great song from the live album by the same name. 

We all know that it took decades for this great album to finally be released on CD, and now it’s also available as a remastered vinyl record album as well as a high quality digital audiophile download at 192 kHz / 24 bit from Neil Young Archives and the Greedy Hand Store online: Time Fades Away (50th Anniversary Edition) LP
 
As a songwriter and a lyricist,  Neil is a master craftsman of putting poetry to the service of the muse of music. I often wonder if it’s the words or the music that comes first for him. Either way, his genius is undeniable. 

So, it makes one wonder exactly why he chose the numbers fourteen and thirteen to include in his song about time fading away and all that it implies in this life. 

Was it based on a true and factual event or scene that he saw? Probably not - but who knows? How would he know that they were all heroin addicts? 

Most likely, he took poetic license and increased the number of down-and-out junkies on the street in order to add emphasis to the problem, by exaggerating it. 

Also, as a musician and an experienced recording artist, he knows that certain syllables create sss-ey sibilant sounds in studio condenser microphones and that certain other syllables like P’s and B’s create puffy and bassy sounds in live dynamic microphones with proximity-effects. 

So, most likely, he chose a number with two syllables - that fit with the rhythmic structure of the lyric - that was a word that started with a sound that was neither sibilant nor puffy. Fourteen and thirteen both hit the mark! 

He could not use a one syllable number, or a number larger than two syllables. Those would not work - like the number nine or the number seventeen (which begins with an S and has 3 syllables). 

If you’re a singer, certain words and sounds are easier to sing - and remember on stage - than others. Fourteen and thirteen must have worked well for Neil in this regard. They just sound good! 

There’s also the important matter of the imagery that’s conveyed. Let’s face it, the first time you ever heard this song on the radio, that powerful and unique image of “fourteen junkies too weak to work” left a very strong impression in your mind! Songwriters are masters of matching lasting lyrical imagery with catchy melodic hooks and rhythmic repeating riffs! Neil does this all the time! 

Anyway, these are just some of the thoughts that I was having about this great song that I wanted to share with you all. 

Thanks for listening! 

- George Nicholas Koumantzelis 👍🌵🌅🌲😇
 

 
Thanks for the deep dive here George! Most appreciate the detailed analysis of why we arrived at “fourteen junkies too weak to work”.

Afterall, we all know definitely that numbers add up to nothin'. :)

Seriously, we actually forgot about the whole arithmetic equation here.  The songs starts with 14 junkies but ends with 13?!  We lost Danny ... he was too weak to work.

Much more on the Neil Young album TIME FADES AWAY and fan's multi- decade struggle to have album re-released with petitions to record companies, beseeching the artist and his management. All of which culminated in a performance art attempt by fans  at the end of a Neil Young concert in Philadelphia.

As one petitioner wrote all the way back in 2005 when we started the Release "Time Fades Away" Petition, not releasing TFA was "... like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."



"It's like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."
Petition Signature Signer #6628 by Gareth D.

 

A lot has happened since Thrasher's Wheat began the campaign to release Neil Young's 1973 album Time Fades Away way back in 2005.

  • Neil Young's Time Fades Away on CD: "50 years have passed"
  • Finally! Time Fades Away About to be Re-released
  • MASTER PRESSING SHEET: "Time Fades Away" by Neil Young
  • 7th Anniversary of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition 
  • Neil Young's Ditch Trilogy -- Or is it a Quadrilogy? Or Quintology?
  • 3rd Year Anniversary: Release "Time Fades Away" Pe...
  • Petition Gathers Over 10,000 Signatures
  • TFA Now in Top 20 All-Time on Petition Spot
  • Petition Passes 5,000 Signatures
  • UPDATE: TFA Petition and Signature Highlights
  • Petition Comments Highlights
  • UPDATE: - Album Song Poll & "Don't Be Denied"
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    More on the history and background of Release "Time Fades Away" Fan Petition.

     
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    Friday, March 10, 2023

    Comment of the Moment: Neil Young's Time Fades Away on CD: "50 years have passed"

     Neil Young: Official Release Series Discs 5-8 Vinyl Box Set 
    w/  Time Fades Away
    4-LP, 180-gram black vinyl in reproduction jackets housed in telescoping box with a limited pressing of 3,500 
    (see Record Store Day's Neil Young Vinyl Releases: Official Release Series Discs 5-8 )

    Again, quite a bit of headscratching in our erstwhile rustie grain communities on the recent  Times-Contrarian | NYA, where Neil Young writes about how it has been 50 years since the album Time Fades Away was released and now a CD should be released?!

    Here is the Comment of the Moment on the somewhat typical "neilyoungian logic" on Neil Young's Time Fades Away on CD: "50 years have passed" by Tomatron: 

    TFA on vinyl, its native format. 

    Dionys, I see the connections too. So much of what arrives on NYA is subject to Neil’s train of thought. It would be interesting to see the site in an entirely chronological view, post-wise. 

    What trends might emerge?

    Format is so key to my enjoyment of this music. I couldn’t even bear TFA until I found a 70s pressing leafing through LPs at Antone’s Records. Then the sound made sense to me. The format of some of these newly heard tunes is similarly a focus for me. Will Under The Rainbow include the digital file of the entire unedited show like CKJr Blues did? That’s the way I wanna hear it! Such a presentation does not lend itself to vinyl, but holds up well as a document of the “you were there” feel of the bootleg. It’s for sure my favorite way to listen to Royce and Dorothy.

    Ducks: Bootleg? Not a bootleg? I wonder if it’ll be great on vinyl. Likely so. But will there be Official Non-Bootleg Outtakes?

    One last thought on format before I hit the hay for the last school day before a much-needed spring break. 

    The new release of Neil Young (CSG Reversal)… what do we think? It sounded big and bold coming out of this iPhone. But on headphones, the mono version felt lacking. It was not meant to be mono, just shoehorned into that format for radio play at the time. It also has the feeling of being rushed out. One of the tracks is not even in mono! It’s the best-sounding one of the bunch. If you haven’t picked it out yet, I won’t spoil it. As it stands, the CSG version is currently still my go-to version. 

    Like Neil said, those mixes are a lot better. The CSG doesn’t bother me as much as it might, because it’s an effect applied equally across the whole album. Classic recorded music is full of these baked-in idiosyncratic sounds. However, when Neil’s Stereo CSG Reversal is released in full, I suspect it will become the definitive edition of the solo debut. 

    Straight from the console! 

    Thanks for the Comment of the Moment Tomatron. Great discussion with Dionys.

    Honestly, we haven't picked up on the whole CSG Reversal mono/stereo remix on Neil's 1st album.  We know the subject has been kicking around for decades and has been discussed a thousand times before.

    If someone could please enlighten us to whether we have some "wheat" here or not, drop a comment below.  It kinda sounds like there might be an audible difference/upgrade of significance?  Or does one need "Neil ears" to hear?

    More on the history and background of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition.

     
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    Tuesday, March 07, 2023

    Neil Young's Time Fades Away on CD: "50 years have passed."

    A MESSAGE FROM NEIL | Times-Contrarian | NYA
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    Just the other day, TW commenter Phil remarked on the rationale of unreleased recordings of the Ducks being released as an "offical bootleg" as typical "neilyoungian logic". 

    And to be crystal clear here, no one is complaining and everyone is grateful that these recordings are finally seeing the light of day regardless of whether an OBS or OPS or whatever series.

    Which brings us to the latest head scratching example of typical "neilyoungian logic". 

    On yesterday's Times-Contrarian | NYA, Neil Young writes about how it has been 50 years since the album Time Fades Away was released and now a CD should be released?!

    If we didn't believe in typical "neilyoungian logic" than we'd think ol' Neil was punking us. Or maybe this is Neil's subtle "neilyoungian logic" way of suggesting we take the TFA petition down, mission accomplished???

    From  A MESSAGE FROM NEIL | Times-Contrarian | NYA:

    50 years have passed.

    We’re going to try to re-release this in vinyl and CD. A lot of folks have asked for it, so I am asking reprise to re-release. Getting anything made in vinyl is difficult these days, but it’s worth it for the sound. I know there is a petition out there to get TFA on the street again. I hope everyone who wants it can get it.

    Watch these pages for an announcement date. I was asked not to show any release schedules anymore because the releases keep slipping back in time, due to the world’s inability to produce vinyl.

    If I was not so old and didn’t know how great true vinyl from analog masters sounds, we probably would have already released this in CD and streaming only.

    Don’t be Denied.
    thanks
    n

    Ok, so what's the deal with the  Neil Young album Time Fades Away?

    As one petitioner wrote all the way back in 2005 when we started the Release "Time Fades Away" Petition, not releasing TFA was "... like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."



    "It's like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."
    Petition Signature Signer #6628 by Gareth D.

     

    A lot has happened since Thrasher's Wheat began the campaign to release Neil Young's  1973 album Time Fades Away.

  • Finally! Time Fades Away About to be Re-released
  • MASTER PRESSING SHEET: "Time Fades Away" by Neil Young
  • 7th Anniversary of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition 
  • Neil Young's Ditch Trilogy -- Or is it a Quadrilogy? Or Quintology?
  • 3rd Year Anniversary: Release "Time Fades Away" Pe...
  • Petition Gathers Over 10,000 Signatures
  • TFA Now in Top 20 All-Time on Petition Spot
  • Petition Passes 5,000 Signatures
  • UPDATE: TFA Petition and Signature Highlights
  • Petition Comments Highlights
  • UPDATE: - Album Song Poll & "Don't Be Denied"
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    On Record Store Day's "Black Friday", November 28th, 2014, Warner Bros. Records -- at long last -- made available Time Fades Away in the Official Release Series Neil Young Vinyl Box Set.
     
     Neil Young: Official Release Series Discs 5-8 Vinyl Box Set 
    4-LP, 180-gram black vinyl in reproduction jackets housed in telescoping box with a limited pressing of 3,500 

     

      Neil Young's album Time Fades Away on CD is listed for $22.79 $12.99 @ Amazon,com

     
    It's been called the "missing link" of the "Ditch Trilogy".

    Neil Young's 1973 Time Fades Away is one of the most remarkable live albums ever recorded. Certainly at the time of release, it was almost unprecedented for an artist to release a live concert recording of previously unreleased material. Long out of print on vinyl, still unavailable on CD in the early 21st century and widely bootlegged, the album is considered to be the "Holy Grail" of all Neil Young albums.

    In an effort to gain wider distribution of this essential Neil Young recording, fans  started a petition in 2005 requesting that the album be officially released. Those interested in obtaining a legal copy of Time Fades Away were urged to sign the petition.

    In 2003, it seemed that an official release was near when four of the "Missing 6" Neil Young albums surfaced. (On The Beach, one of the four albums released after a long hiatus, was also the subject of a fan's petition drive which would eventually gather over 5,000 signatures from the Neil Young Internet fan community Rust and Human Highway.)  

    Then, there's the story of the scene from Cameron Crowe's film "Almost Famous", which re-creates the Time Fades Away album.

    "Almost Famous" Film Scene
    "Time Fades Away" by Neil Young
     
    More on the history and background of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition.
     


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    Saturday, October 15, 2022

    Comment of the Moment: Comes A Time & Time Fades Away by Neil Young - Underrated?

    Neil Young's "Comes A Time" & "Time Fades Away" Albums

     

    The Comment of the Moment is from a recent post VIDEO REVIEW:  Comes A Time & Time Fades Away by Neil Young - Underrated? by Abner:

    I  don't think Time Fades Away can be overrated because it can't be rated in any usual sense. 

    I mean, the sheer and raw originality of the whole album is, by usual standards, inconceivable. Post Harvest, he releases what? But then the songs cannot be dismissed. For many good songwriters, "LA" might be a career type achievement. For Neil Young it is almost a throw-away. The album pulses with urgency and lingers on the edges of nihilism without going over. As always, Neil seeks redemption. Everything that is remarkably angry, ugly or dismal is balanced back by rough dignity, forgiveness and grace. ("Don't Be Denied" is at the base of self-respect and so it reaches out to others, it is relational, not insulated or isolating. In high school it was my theme song and if I cared about theme songs now, it would still be my theme song.) 

    Neil Young always touches those on the margins and as it turns out that seems to most of us: in other words, he speaks in universals buried deep in his particular experience.

    Comes a Time is weirdly good, not the expectation. "Look Out For My Love" has that roughed up emotional need that seems a base of human love- the song picks up an urgency that becomes dramatic in the best ways. "Comes a Time" bluntly expresses what is universal without being banal- who can do this except a great artist? I can actually recall my mother saying once- to someone who was inquiring about my wayward sister- that there "comes a time when people find stability." Yes, a cliche but one that is surrounded on all sides by truth and danger. One wonders: is it possible to keep drifting, to never find stability? And the answer is yes, which is why we wonder about how anything can be stable and secure.

    Finally, Time Fades Away is a sharp slap in the face to an embedded hegemony of success thinking and it is then beautifully liberating. No, the artist does not simply follow up with some unilinear progress, but might actually break in half, which Neil does on this album. His expressed brokenness is part of our healing, the hope of art and the human spirit, that we can come back from the brink. But we have to go to the brink. 

    Many thought he had lost his marbles when in fact he was the one who was dealing with reality. 

    Our reality.

    Thanks Abner for the good discussion here on the merits of CAT and TFA.

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    Thursday, October 13, 2022

    VIDEO REVIEW: Neil Young's Sign O' The Times? Comes A Time & Time Fades Away - Underrated?

    Neil Young's "Comes A Time" & "Time Fades Away" Albums

     
     

    Here is a video review of Neil Young's albums "Comes A Time" & "Time Fades Away" by Davy's Cinema Flicks & Music Picks.

     
     

    As folks may recall, for literally decades now, we here at TW have campaigned for  the re-release of "Time Fades Away".

    Re-Release "Time Fades Away" Petition: http://timefadesawaypetition.thrasherswheat.org
     

    After all, folks have only been waiting since well ... we started the TFA Petition back in 2014 and have gathered 10's of thousands of signatures. All to little or no avail, deeply and sadly.

    As Neil says on NYA, "TFA was never one of my favorites".

     

    Well, lo and behold TFA has finally been re-released on CD format. (Please shop locally & independently. But if you can't, we appreciate your supporting Thrasher's Wheat by clicking this link or YOUR COUNTRY's FLAG at top. Thank you!!!) 

    Also, see REVIEW: Neil Young & Promise Of The Real - Noise & Flowers Box Set - CD Bluray Vinyl | Davy's Cinema Flicks & Music Picks.


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    Saturday, March 18, 2017

    Neil Young's "Ditch Quadrilogy" Re-Re-Release is Finally Coming! Official Release Series Discs 5-8 (4CD): May 12 Release

    Neil Young's "Ditch Quadrilogy"

    Neil Young's "Ditch Quadrilogy" Re-Re-Release is finally coming!

    Back in 2014, Neil Young and Warner Bros. Records announced the release of Young's upcoming Neil Young Official Series 2 Vinyl Box Set, which was intended to come out on Record Store Day, but was delayed due to several other projects that Young had in the works that he wished to focus on. The four long-delayed Neil Young classic vinyl reissues, including the reprint of rare 1973 album Time Fades Away,with On The Beach, Tonight's The Night and Zuma were finally released in September 2016. (Time Fades Away was long exclusive to Young’s Pono service.)

    Now, Neil Young's Official Release Series Discs 5-8 (4CD) boxset is scheduled for a May 12 release, per this Amazon Pre-Order Listing.


    Neil Young's Official Release Series Discs 5-8 (4 Vinyl)

    So after 12+ years or so, the Re-Release "Time Fades Away" Petition may finally be retired with over 150,000 visitors. In the meantime, we'll just to keep referring to Neil Young's elusive "Time Fades Away" album and it's hostage status, as noted in the observation that it's unreleased status is: "Like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."


    "It's like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."
    Petition Signature Signer #6628 by Gareth D.

    Hard to believe, but it's been 12+ years since we launched the Release "Time Fades Away" Petition campaign.

    Since February 2005, over 150,000 visits have been logged to the TFA page and the petition has gathered over 16,000 verified signatures. (The actual count is closer to 20,000 but the petition site has had several backup failures where thousands of signatures were lost.) Over 16,000 votes have been cast for favorite song on album.


    Here's the vote breakdown:

    Don't Be Denied - 25.9%
    Last Dance - 22.8%
    Journey Through the Past - 11.5%

    So why does any of this really matter?

    Well, for one thing, recent news indicates that there is a possibility that the original TFA may NEVER be re-released at all. From an interview in Guitar World, Young discusses The Archives Vol.#2 which will include Time Fades Away II. TFA#2 is an alternate version from the tour's second half.
    "YOUNG: One thing I'll tell you about the next volume of Archives is that Time Fades Away II is in there. And it's interesting because the whole thing has a different drummer than what was on that album. I switched drummers halfway through the tour- Kenny Buttrey was in there for the first half, and Johnny Barbata came in for the second. It's a completely different thing, with completely different songs. So that's interesting. There's lots of stuff like that that I'm working on right now for the second volume."

    Again, why does this matter?

    It's been called the "missing link" of the "Ditch Trilogy".

    Neil Young's 1973 Time Fades Away is one of the most remarkable live albums ever recorded. Certainly at the time of release, it was almost unprecedented for an artist to release a live concert recording of previously unreleased material. Long out of print on vinyl, still unavailable on CD in the early 21st century and widely bootlegged, the album is considered to be the "Holy Grail" of all Neil Young albums.

    In an effort to gain wider distribution of this essential Neil Young recording, fans have started a petition requesting that the album be officially released. Those interested in obtaining a legal copy of Time Fades Away are urged to sign the petition today.

    In 2003, it seemed that an official release was near when four of the "Missing 6" Neil Young albums surfaced. (On The Beach, one of the four albums released after a long hiatus, was also the subject of a fan's petition drive which would eventually gather over 5,000 signatures from the Neil Young Internet fan community Rust and Human Highway.)

    Time Fades Away was recorded directly from the soundboard to 16-track using the Quad-8 CompuMix, the unreliable first digital mixing soundboard—against the wishes of producer David Briggs, who referred to it as the "Compufuck" but was forced to yield to the desires of Young. This resulted in a murky-sounding release. Because no two-track stereo master tape was ever made as would commonly be done, the album cannot be remastered in a traditional manner. If any new release was to be attempted, a new mix would need to be made from the original multitrack tapes.

    (Thanks Peter!)

    A comment by Greg M (A Friend Of Yours):
    I agree with all the reasons stated for releasing and revering the album, but my guess is that there must be something personal beyond what has ever been revealed about that tour and album that causes Neil to short shrift it. Must be something big given it's the only album left unrepresented on Decade- The Bridge at the very least was worthy of being included.

    I always thought it was just too painful because of Danny Whitten's 11th hour death preceding the tour. There is also the money disputes that went on, but I think we're grasping at straws, Neil has his reasons is all. The Detroit leg of the tour was the first concert I ever went to, and it was a great experience, especially the first half acoustic set. When the whole band appeared for the electric second half there was a discernible disconnect between band members, no interaction, very removed. It probably didn't help that they partook during intermission- I'm assuming.

    The only song that stands out in my mind is Don't Be Denied, and a very lethargic Alabama with Neil playing the Wing guitar. I also think that it is totally in the spirit of Archives to get an alternative version. In the meantime, we can only speculate so much. Hopefully if we ever see TFA II, Neil will fill us in a little more on the details, but only if it's not excruciatingly personal.

    Greg M (A Friend Of Yours)

    A comment by andrea1bianco:
    I've read in some publications that several songs were recorded at the A & M studios by Henry Lewis and during the TFA rehearsals at The Broken Arrow Ranch. Look Out Joe, later released on TTN, comes from these sessions. Some songs, unreleased yet, could have been recorded. I mean Goodbye Christians On The Shore, Come Along And Say You Will, Letter from 'Nam. Nothing officially confirmed, but speculations of some studio recordings during the TFA timeframe exist.

    A Rust comment by Jules:
    From Decade liner notes:
    "Time Fades Away. No songs from this album are included here. It was recorded on my biggest tour ever, 65 shows in 90 days.

    Money hassles among everyone concerned ruined this tour and record for me but I released it anyway so you folks could see what could happen if you lose it for a while.

    I was becoming more interested in an audio verite approach than satisfying the public demands for a repetition of Harvest.
    The biography Shakey by Jimmy McDonough quotes a 1987 interview:

    My least favorite record is Time Fades Away. I think it's the worst record I ever made—but as a documentary of what was happening to me, it was a great record. I was onstage and I was playing all these songs that nobody had heard before, recording them, and I didn't have the right band. It was just an uncomfortable tour. It was supposed to be this big deal—I just had Harvest out, and they booked me into ninety cities. I felt like a product, and I had this band of all-star musicians that couldn't even look at each other. It was a total joke.

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    Time Fades Away
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    Courtesy of Side Street Records

    We had some really great comments on UNCUT Magazine naming Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" as the #1 Great Lost album of All Time or -- as we like to say -- the "missing link" in the Ditch Trilogy.

    Here's another Comment of the Moment on Time Fades Away's impact by Greg M (A Friend Of Yours) responding to Big Chief's comment about whether TFA is significant at all:
    Big Chief, you make a couple really good points about the irony of how the success of Harvest paved the way for the unsuccessful releases that fueled Neil’s career about face, releases that otherwise would not have been supported by most record companies (in this respect, we should give credit where credit is due to Reprise and its executives, who really did respect Neil as an artist- there is ample evidence of their willingness to give Neil a long leash, even prior to Harvests’ mega success). I can also understand being underwhelmed by the ditch trilogy (DT), following as it did on the heels of EKTIN/ATG/Harvest. And I have no problem with your just not liking the album.

    In general, I know what you mean by “highs and lows”, but for me I never accepted the premise that TFA was a lesser album, that highs can only be appreciated relative to lows, or that the TFA's of the world are something to be stomached because they somehow pave the way for more palatable projects. Don't get me wrong, I've been lambasted before in this forum for admitting that I didn't initially like the DT when it first hit. And I know what you mean about Zuma seeming to be a stellar return to form, that’s how I also saw it on many levels. But by the time Zuma came along, I was over my initial disappointment, even though it took a while, and then many more years before I really appreciated the DT for what it represents to me now. But to the extent that we do, in retrospect, hearken back to the DT, TFA should not be underestimated for the tone it set for what was to come, both in terms of OTB and TTN, as well as for everything that has followed right down to the present.

    TFA is a career decision that encapsulates many of the positive attributes we use to define why we hold Neil up to the level of admiration that we do, e.g. uncompromising, stark honesty, raw feeling and emotion accompanied by anti-slick production values- “damn the torpedoes and everything that the public, record company or music press wants, this is what is relevant and worth my effort, because this is what is actually happening in my life”. Like a lot of things we take for granted, we’ve lost our sense of just how revolutionary TFA was, because its spirit became the norm and so familiar to us. No one who really gave the album a chance and listened to it closely, and considered the timing of its release in the aftermath of the success of Harvest, should really be that surprised by anything Neil ever did subsequently. Perhaps that’s the biggest argument yet for the value of re-releasing the album: maybe the FITR/PW/LWW/Greendale bashers of the world would understand anew Neil’s straight ahead approach, and contribution to artistic prerogative. All the more fascinating that Neil does not appear to hold the album in any high regard. Could mediate against many of the things I’m saying. But like Big Chief’s take, it’s my take.

    None of this is to say that it isn’t o.k. to not like TFA, or that the point taken doesn’t sometimes trump the music, but in the case of TFA let’s not dismiss the music too prematurely. I can’t recommend a close listen enough. I will put “Journey Through The Past”, “Love In Mind”, and “The Bridge” alongside any heartfelt and emotional song Neil has ever written. These songs and their live performance in particular, stop me in my tracks every time. How about these lyrics?: “Fourteen junkies too weak to work. One sells diamonds for what they're worth. Down on pain street, disappointment lurks… All day presidents look out windows. All night sentries watch the moon glow. All are waiting till the time is right”. “Don’t Be Denied”, “LA”, “Last Dance”- these are kick ass songs. O.K., I admit it, “Yonder Stands The Sinner” does not make my stranded-on-an-island MP3 player, but you know, every rule needs an exception to prove it… My biggest complaint is that the album is just too damn short.

    Anyways, just some more thoughts about TFA. Interesting, the more I read these comments, and the more I think about TFA, the more it all comes back to me. The more I’m transported back to the ninth grade, the more I remember how much this album meant to me. But then I remember the time a friend threatened to hit me if I sang “I will stay with you if you’ll stay with me, said the fiddler to the drum” one more time. Time to stop talking before I start repeating myself …

    Greg M (A Friend Of Yours)
    Thanks Greg M!

    More on the "missing link" in the Ditch Trilogy.
    So if you haven't done so already, go and sign the petition!

    And if you have signed, then please re-tweet, share, forward, etc.

    More on the history and background of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition.

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    Sunday, August 21, 2016

    Comment of the Moment: Releasing "Time Fades Away" on CD - Does It Really Matter Anymore?


    "It's like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."
    Petition Signature Signer #6628 by Gareth D.

    The Comment of the Moment is regarding the viability of vinyl vs CDs on the post Neil Young's "Ditch Quadrilogy" Re-Re-Release Coming by rkennke:
    I find this whole discussion about hires audio formats rather religious than anything else. Sure you get tons more information in 192KHz/24bits depth, but IMO it's all useless. It's pretty much proven that humans cannot hear anything beyond 20-22Khz. Most people fail to hear anything around 15Khz already. Try it out yourself. As per the Nyquist theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist%E2%80%93Shannon_sampling_theorem), a sampling freq of 44Khz is about perfect. Hence the 44Khz of regular CDs. Remains the discussion about dynamic depth of 16 bits. This could be debated, but I haven't heard of a single double-blind study yet that conclusively proves it makes a difference to anybody.

    I believe the notion of CD quality being inferior stems from badly mastered CDs. Back in the 80s and into the 90s, equipment for CD mastering and engineering experience hasn't been as good as it is now. We really got lots of badly mastered CDs, and Neil Young's catalogue is no exception, sadly. And we still do, nowadays CDs are often mastered too loud. But it's not a failure of the format, it's a failure of proper mastering. Some records are just superb (e.g. the remastered 1st 4 from Neil Young), especially in recent years, there are many excellent CD quality records out there.

    As for vinyl records. I love them. But I do not love them for their superior sound quality. I love them for the improved artwork. I love them for the ritualistic putting record on the turntable, then placing the needle on the record, later, turning the record around, heck even the slightly romantic crackling of dust. Sound quality? Well... for one, the dynamic range is fairly limited on a record. The groove can give you just so much. Especially in the lower ranges, the range is so limited that records are mastered with lower frequencies turned down, and the playback equipment required to amplify it back up (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization). The 'sampling frequency' is fairly limited too: vinyl consists of crystals, and you just don't get infinite many crystals (e.g. samples) within a groove. Then there's the issue that 'outer grooves' have a better quality then 'inner grooves', that's because the stylus has a higher effective speed over the vinyl at the outer edge than it has at the middle (kindof like higher sampling frequency). That's one of the reasons why often you find quieter songs at the end of one LP side. A well mastered LP will leave a lot of empty space in the middle for that reason. There are some terrible LPs (take NYs Freedom) that squeeze 30minutes+ on each side. Modern well mastered LPs only take up 12-20 minutes per side. And real hi-fidelity pressings even come in 45rpm (as some of Radiohead's records do, for example). LPs are really not that great, sound-quality wise.

    I hope that Neil makes up his mind and re-releases TFA, TTN and Zuma (On The Beach is fine as it is) on CD. It's still the most common format, even though declining, and no, neither MP3 nor PONO is for me. LP with CD quality download seems ok. (Will the re-releases come with such download option?) In the meantime, find the pulled TFA HDCD master from the 90s out there.. it's great (better than any LP rip).
    Thanks rkennke for the comment. Provocative.

    So. Does releasing Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" on CD... does it really matter anymore? Or can we just retire the petition and be done with and move along?

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    Tuesday, April 01, 2014

    The April Fool's Joke That Wasn't: Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" Re-release

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    Neil Young's "Time Fades Away"

    Here's an April Fool's joke that turned out to be true.

    As our delightful regular readers know, each year on April Fool's Day, we post some amusingly intriguing little item of Neil silliness.

    Back on April 1, 2009, we ran a post with the news that Neil Young's Time Fades Away To Finally Be Re-released. This naturally created great excitement among fans who then discovered that the release would be only available on vinyl records. The comments on the post were quite amusing as fans reacted in semi-faux outrage that they were being denied a proper digital release.

    So here we are, 5 years later and it turns out that Neil Young's "Time Fades Away" re-release will indeed be limited to a vinyl record only without a CD/digital release. News that Neil Young's "Ditch Quadrilogy" Re-Release Delayed Until November 2014 has been somewhat muted partially in reaction to the successful PONO launch. The release of Young's upcoming Neil Young Official Series 2 Vinyl Box Set was intended to come out on Record Store Day. A November release date for the set is now planned, which includes the classic albums Time Fades Away, On The Beach, Tonight's The Night and Zuma.



    Originally posted on April 1, 2009
    Neil Young's Time Fades Away To Finally Be Re-released

    In a stunning decision, Neil Young has announced that he will be re-releasing "Time Fades Away" on June 2. This decision pushes back the release on The Neil Young Archives Volume 1 which had been scheduled for this release date.

    The announcement comes after a 4 year campaign by fans to have "Time Fades Away" re-released after being out of print since the mid-1980's. The online petition campaign began in February 2005 and has received over 15,000 signatures thus far.

    In a statement, Neil Young said:
    "My fans have spoken. They want to hear "Time Fades Away" after being out of print for so long. And in order to satisfy my fans, I'm going to re-release the album in it's original format only -- vinyl.

    As far as the Archives go, well they've waited this long, so they can wait a little while later. It was a tough decision because I never really cared that much for the album. But after hearing all the complaints about the Archives Box set and trying to address them, I feel that re-releasing "Time Fades Away" is my only option to placate my fan base."

    The statement goes on to say that the vinyl album will also be available as a deluxe version with new music videos for each song. The videos will be included on a VHS tape in the deluxe version along with the original lyrics sheet that the 1973 release contained.

    Probably no one is more surprised with this announcement than ourselves given that we have long maintained that the Archives most likely will be released before TFA.

    Given these developments, Thrasher's Wheat plans to suspend the online petition campaign. But we will not do so until we have the re-release in our hands. Or The Archives.

    Happy ARC Day!

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    Tuesday, February 05, 2013

    Photo Insert from "Time Fades Away" Album by Neil Young

    Time Fades Away LP Poster Insert
    Photo by Dave Zimmer
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    Last week, we posted on the Vinyl Giveaway: Time Fades Away by Neil Young (see post for details on how to win a free vinyl copy.).

    We received a note from Dave Zimmer, an esteemed chronicler of CROSBY, STILLS & NASH: The Biography, as well as, numerous other publications. Dave mentioned that his TFA copy had a photo insert which we were unfamiliar with. Most are familiar with the full lyrics sheet insert (see below) but not the photo of Neil Young holding a rose carnation included in some early copies of TFA.

    We thought that we had tracked down all of the artwork for Time Fades Away, but it seems we were mistaken.

    From a comment by BecauseSoundMatters:
    The first pressing did not include the word "stereo" on the labels, later pressings did.

    This recording was mastered 16-track direct to disc by computer - Aug. 22 & 23, 1973

    MS 2151 on spine and record label.
    Matrix / Runout (A): MS 2151 31632-RE-2M
    Matrix / Runout (B): MS 2151 31633-RE-2E

    I don't have a copy of TFA that comes with a large poster of Neil. Never have seen it. I do have a copy with a pictured inner sleeve. One side has Neil with flying V and band. the other side just Neil with Gretch and song/ recording information. Also have the first US pressing and there's only the lyric sheet.
    Time Fades Away Artwork Proof
    Photo by ecordmecca
    (Click photo to enlarge)

    And then there's the whole story on the rejected TFA cover (see above) with the full color inner sleeves that were later used for a German pressing.

    Then, there's the story of the scene from Cameron Crowe's film "Almost Famous", which re-creates the Time Fades Away album.

    "Almost Famous" Film Scene
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    "Time Fades Away" by Neil Young
     
    All the details are on Giveaway: Time Fades Away.

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    Tuesday, January 29, 2013

    Vinyl Giveaway: Time Fades Away by Neil Young

    "Time Fades Away" by Neil Young

    Interested in a vinyl copy of "Time Fades Away" by Neil Young?

    Well here's your chance thanks to the generosity of a TW reader. We probably don't need to go into all the reasons why this album is considered to be the "Missing Link" in the Ditch Trilogy. (But if you're interested, you can find out why "Time Fades Away", "On The Beach" and "Tonight's The Night" are considered by many fans to be the Rosetta Stone to understanding Neil Young's entire body of work.)

    Thanks to Mike Beauchamp, a rare vinyl copy of "Time Fades Away" will be bestowed to a lucky winner.

    All the details are on Giveaway: Time Fades Away.

    One last thought here. Last time we pulled our vinyl copy of TFA out, we absolutely marveled at the large lyrics poster. How nice to be able to read the lyrics without a magnifying glass. To read the lyrics in Neil's handwriting.

    Sure was nice back in the old folkie days..

    Don't Be Denied!

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    Tuesday, February 28, 2012

    7th Anniversary of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition


    "It's like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."
    Petition Signature Signer #6628 by Gareth D.


    Hard to believe, but it's been 5 years since we launched the Release "Time Fades Away" Petition campaign.

    Since February 2005, over 135,000 visits have been logged to the TFA page and the petition has gathered over 16,000 verified signatures. (The actual count is closer to 20,000 but the petition site has had several backup failures where thousands of signatures were lost.) Over 13,000 votes have been cast for favorite song on album.



    Here's the vote breakdown:

    Don't Be Denied - 25.9%
    Last Dance - 22.8%
    Journey Through the Past - 11.5%

    So why does any of this really matter?

    Well, for one thing, recent news indicates that there is a possibility that the original TFA may NEVER be re-released at all. From an interview in Guitar World, Young discusses The Archives Vol.#2 which will include Time Fades Away II. TFA#2 is an alternate version from the tour's second half.
    "YOUNG: One thing I'll tell you about the next volume of Archives is that Time Fades Away II is in there. And it's interesting because the whole thing has a different drummer than what was on that album. I switched drummers halfway through the tour- Kenny Buttrey was in there for the first half, and Johnny Barbata came in for the second. It's a completely different thing, with completely different songs. So that's interesting. There's lots of stuff like that that I'm working on right now for the second volume."

    Again, why does this matter?

    It's been called the "missing link" of the "Ditch Trilogy".

    Neil Young's 1973 Time Fades Away is one of the most remarkable live albums ever recorded. Certainly at the time of release, it was almost unprecedented for an artist to release a live concert recording of previously unreleased material. Long out of print on vinyl, still unavailable on CD in the early 21st century and widely bootlegged, the album is considered to be the "Holy Grail" of all Neil Young albums.

    In an effort to gain wider distribution of this essential Neil Young recording, fans have started a petition requesting that the album be officially released. Those interested in obtaining a legal copy of Time Fades Away are urged to sign the petition today.

    In 2003, it seemed that an official release was near when four of the "Missing 6" Neil Young albums surfaced. (On The Beach, one of the four albums released after a long hiatus, was also the subject of a fan's petition drive which would eventually gather over 5,000 signatures from the Neil Young Internet fan community Rust and Human Highway.)

    Time Fades Away was recorded directly from the soundboard to 16-track using the Quad-8 CompuMix, the unreliable first digital mixing soundboard—against the wishes of producer David Briggs, who referred to it as the "Compufuck" but was forced to yield to the desires of Young. This resulted in a murky-sounding release. Because no two-track stereo master tape was ever made as would commonly be done, the album cannot be remastered in a traditional manner. If any new release was to be attempted, a new mix would need to be made from the original multitrack tapes.

    (Thanks Peter!)

    A comment by Greg M (A Friend Of Yours):

    I agree with all the reasons stated for releasing and revering the album, but my guess is that there must be something personal beyond what has ever been revealed about that tour and album that causes Neil to short shrift it. Must be something big given it's the only album left unrepresented on Decade- The Bridge at the very least was worthy of being included.

    I always thought it was just too painful because of Danny Whitten's 11th hour death preceding the tour. There is also the money disputes that went on, but I think we're grasping at straws, Neil has his reasons is all. The Detroit leg of the tour was the first concert I ever went to, and it was a great experience, especially the first half acoustic set. When the whole band appeared for the electric second half there was a discernible disconnect between band members, no interaction, very removed. It probably didn't help that they partook during intermission- I'm assuming.

    The only song that stands out in my mind is Don't Be Denied, and a very lethargic Alabama with Neil playing the Wing guitar. I also think that it is totally in the spirit of Archives to get an alternative version. In the meantime, we can only speculate so much. Hopefully if we ever see TFA II, Neil will fill us in a little more on the details, but only if it's not excruciatingly personal.

    Greg M (A Friend Of Yours)

    A comment by andrea1bianco:
    I've read in some publications that several songs were recorded at the A & M studios by Henry Lewis and during the TFA rehearsals at The Broken Arrow Ranch. Look Out Joe, later released on TTN, comes from these sessions. Some songs, unreleased yet, could have been recorded. I mean Goodbye Christians On The Shore, Come Along And Say You Will, Letter from 'Nam. Nothing officially confirmed, but speculations of some studio recordings during the TFA timeframe exist.

    A Rust comment by Jules:
    From Decade liner notes:
    "Time Fades Away. No songs from this album are included here. It was recorded on my biggest tour ever, 65 shows in 90 days.
    Money hassles among everyone concerned ruined this tour and record for me but I released it anyway so you folks could see what could happen if you lose it for a while.

    I was becoming more interested in an audio verite approach than satisfying the public demands for a repetition of Harvest.

    So if you haven't done so already, go and sign the petition!

    And if you have signed, then please re-tweet, share, forward, etc.

    More on the history and background of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition.

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    Sunday, January 10, 2010

    5th Anniversary of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition


    "It's like stashing Mona Lisa in the basement."
    Petition Signature Signer #6628 by Gareth D.


    Hard to believe, but it's been 5 years since we launched the Release "Time Fades Away" Petition campaign.

    Since February 2005, over 100,000 visits have been logged to the TFA page and the petition has gathered nearly 15,000 verified signatures. (The actual count is closer to 20,000 but the petition site has had several backup failures where thousands of signatures were lost.) Over 13,000 votes have been cast for favorite song on album.



    Here's the vote breakdown:

    Don't Be Denied - 25.9%
    Last Dance - 22.8%
    Journey Through the Past - 11.5%

    So why does any of this really matter?

    Well, for one thing, recent news indicates that there is a possibility that the original TFA may NEVER be re-released at all. From an interview in Guitar World, Young discusses The Archives Vol.#2 which will include Time Fades Away II. TFA#2 is an alternate version from the tour's second half.
    "YOUNG: One thing I'll tell you about the next volume of Archives is that Time Fades Away II is in there. And it's interesting because the whole thing has a different drummer than what was on that album. I switched drummers halfway through the tour- Kenny Buttrey was in there for the first half, and Johnny Barbata came in for the second. It's a completely different thing, with completely different songs. So that's interesting. There's lots of stuff like that that I'm working on right now for the second volume."

    Again, why does this matter?

    It's been called the "missing link" of the "Ditch Trilogy".

    Neil Young's 1973 Time Fades Away is one of the most remarkable live albums ever recorded. Certainly at the time of release, it was almost unprecedented for an artist to release a live concert recording of previously unreleased material. Long out of print on vinyl, still unavailable on CD in the early 21st century and widely bootlegged, the album is considered to be the "Holy Grail" of all Neil Young albums.

    In an effort to gain wider distribution of this essential Neil Young recording, fans have started a petition requesting that the album be officially released. Those interested in obtaining a legal copy of Time Fades Away are urged to sign the petition today.

    In 2003, it seemed that an official release was near when four of the "Missing 6" Neil Young albums surfaced. (On The Beach, one of the four albums released after a long hiatus, was also the subject of a fan's petition drive which would eventually gather over 5,000 signatures from the Neil Young Internet fan community Rust and Human Highway.)

    So if you haven't done so already, go and sign the petition!

    And if you have signed, then please re-tweet, share, forward, etc.



    Thanks Andrew!

    UPDATE:
    We've seen a jump in signatures with folks re-tweeting, sharing, forwarding, etc. Great job everybody!

    More on the history and background of Release "Time Fades Away" Petition.

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