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Friday, July 23, 2021

Eric Clapton Says He Won't Play At Shows Where COVID-19 Vaccination Proof Is Required + "Live Music Is Better" - Mid-Summer 2021 Edition #2

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A Rock & Roll Trinity:
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost
Bob Dylan, Neil Young & Eric Clapton
Madison Square Garden, New York City - 1992

Eric Clapton said he will refuse to perform at venues where proof of vaccination against COVID-19 is required, after British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the introduction of vaccine passports from September for certain events and venues.

“Following the PM’s announcement on Monday the 19th of July 2021, I feel honour bound to make an announcement of my own: I wish to say that I will not perform on any stage where there is a discriminated audience present. Unless there is provision made for all people to attend, I reserve the right to cancel the show,” the musician said in a statement shared on architect and film producer Robin Monotti Graziadei’s Telegram account.

Clapton previously said he had a “disastrous” experience with the AstraZeneca vaccine, and blamed “propaganda” for pushing the two-dose experimental vaccine on him.

“I took the first jab of AZ [AstraZeneca] and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days, I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one,” Clapton wrote in a statement in May.

“About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers. Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb, or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle). But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone.”

According to Rolling Stone magazine, Clapton does not have any shows scheduled in the United Kingdom until May 2022. The musician has upcoming shows in North America this September.

The Lawn 
The Filene Center @ Wolf Trap, Vienna, Virginia
July 22, 2021

 

As we discussed throughout 2020, everybody knows "Live Music Is Better" -- of course.

And again in our  Yes, Everybody Knows "Live Music Is Better" - Spring  2021 Edition and again in our Early Summer 2021 Edition & most recently on Mid-Summer 2021 Edition, Everybody Knows "Live Music Is Better".


Reserved Lawn Seating?!
(NOTE: Marker flag in foreground)


Guitar Tech Tuning
(NOTE: Neil Young "Tonight's The Night" shirt!)


A Rather Sparse Attendance Last Night
(NOTE: Normally on a perfect summer evening, venue would be sold out)
 

Amos Lee


Seat: Orchestra A22 
An Evening w/ Amos Lee
(NOTE: We walked up to Box Office at show time and upgraded to front row center seats)

 

So we're just glad, fortunate and blessed to be able to go a few miles down the road to a splendid National Park (your tax $'s @ work) and enjoy live music outdoors on a glorious summer evening.

Thank you Amos and Wolf Trap @ 50! 

So let the music continue to flow unrestricted and freely to all across the lands in the summer of 2021!!!

After all, isn't all about the "Ordinary People of RUST"

Rare R@D "Live Music Is Better" Bumper Sticker
w/ Hawks & Doves by Neil Young

(via TW Archives)
 
 
 
How about  you?  Any local concert reports to share below, please do so.
 
Note: One of several new Pavilion Buildings @ Wolf Trap
(Your Tax $'s @ work!)

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56 Comments:

At 7/23/2021 02:44:00 PM, Blogger Jonathan said...

Clapton...THE worst concert I ever attended...just bored me beyond description...

huge understatement to say that his best years were many years ago...decades

 
At 7/23/2021 03:49:00 PM, Blogger Dionys said...

Eric Clapton is a great guitar player. But it is really sad and funny at the same time that a man who has been addicted to every drug that one can imagine for years if not decades now is whinnying about the side effects of a vaccination that in the broader sense will save thousands of lives, not just his.
I had the Biontech (for Americans: Pfizer) vaccination twice and felt tired the following day. If I say something like that nobody gives a f*** and rightly so. But if E.C. says something like that I wished he would shut the f*** up.

 
At 7/23/2021 03:59:00 PM, Blogger Dan Swan said...

As sad as I am that Eric experienced such severe side effects from his vaccines, I feel that it’s completely irresponsible for him to publicly give more people a reason not to be vaccinated. As long as there are people not fascinated this virus will continue to mutate and spread. I was also under the impression that Eric had retired from performing several years ago. If I’m wrong about that, I apologize, but he must be aware of his influence, and I personally think this was foolish behavior on his part.

Peace 🙏

 
At 7/23/2021 04:05:00 PM, Blogger thrasher said...

@ Jonathan - we've seen Clapton in 70's, 80's 90' and 21st century.

You know how you always remember your 1st time? Well that sticks for us w/ EC.

It turns out that we learned only just recently what was going w/ that show in 76.

Turns out that EC was out on the mainline during this period.

About 3 years ago we were at a Albert Lee concert. About half way through the show, Albert Lee comments that the licks he just played were like what he did for Clapton back in the 70's. After the show we asked Lee about the comment.

Albert Lee said something to the effect that EC was so totally wasted onstage that the mixer would fade out EC's guitar and bring up Albert Lee's for the solos.

Kind of shocking and stunning.

that said, here's Clapton, Cale, Trucks....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEtGZyfms7E

now that's a real jab .... errr .. jam ...

@ Dionys - it is ironic. esp considering the story above we saw 1st hand

... the jab and the damage done ...

... a setting sun ...

... a little part in everyone ...
(ahem)


 
At 7/23/2021 04:39:00 PM, Blogger Marty Halpern said...

I'm an EC fan from way back -- even saw him once perform with Zappa & The Mothers at the Shrine Auditorium in L.A.... But the man probably had such a nasty reaction to the vaccine because he has underlying conditions, including a nerve condition that affects his hands -- and his playing. But without that vaccine, I would have liked to see him take a stroll through a U.K. Covid ward and see what kind of reaction he'd get out of that. I've read him state, after the fact, that he shouldn't have appeared with Van Morrison on that anti-lockdown song; in that interview, he also stated that his friends don't talk to him anymore, either. Can't imagine why... Maybe he should have had second thoughts about this latest anti-vaccine comment.

 
At 7/23/2021 05:04:00 PM, Blogger Richie Cruz said...

This is now the newest way to divide us as a society. If it's not racial divide, or political divide, or religious divide, or whatever other divde you can think of, now we have the vaccinated vs unvaccinated divide.

I have real doubts about what's being put into our systems here, so I'm still hesitating on getting the vaccine. I have been working with the public 5 days a week since last April when all this was really starting up, and I haven't felt sick once.

I'm not discounting Covid, or the horrors of what it can do to you if you're over 70, weigh over 300 lbs, or have pre-existing medical conditions, but for the rest of the human race, it's a 98.9% survival rate if you get it. Those facts simply don't scare me enough to feel that I need to rush out and get jabbed.

Throw in the fact that I have an incredible distrust of the people pushing this, AND the fact that people who have been vaccinated have actually gotten Covid afterwards, and sorry but what can I say? I'm just not fully on board with the narrative.

And apparently I'm not the only one as barely half of the United States have gotten vaccinated. I believe that the UK is maybe the only country in the world with a higher than 55% vaccination rate, so I know I'm not alone in being hesitant or having my doubts. I actually applaud Eric Clapton for coming out with his views on this.

Now they are already talking about people having to get "booster shots" and more vaccinations for different threads of the virus. Is this where we are headed? Getting a shot from the government every 6 months or so? Is that the society we want to live in? Sure sounds pretty gloomy to me.

 
At 7/23/2021 05:40:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

The question might be: what can we expect? If one pays attention to the history of medicine and vaccines, one will quickly see that there are always some people who have "bad reactions" or are allergic (and bad reactions from many causes). Hey, these are the limitations of reality. (Clapton probably has protection from the virus.) I don't want to call him names and so forth. this is a trap. Education seems like beating a dead horse but I do not think there is adequate education. Many people, perhaps the majority, do not even know the difference between a virus and bacteria and so they also do not know how vaccines work. It is so simple- and it is so incredibly precise- trigger our immune systems, to recognize and attack the virus with dead virus or an imposter. What really pisses me off about the whole thing are the amazing people who lived and died for this sort of medicine. Researchers who actually injected themselves with live virus (in the case of Yellow Fever, look it up). We are lucky to stand on their shoulders. But now we have all these know it alls, pundits, media circus clowns, partisans, who shout down this incredible history of sacrifice, knowledge, and good will. Get the vaccine unless your physician identifies a reason not to- which makes me wonder about Clapton? Did he even bother to speak to a physician about his underlying condition?

 
At 7/23/2021 06:22:00 PM, Blogger Alan said...

Average age oh hospitalized patients in Alabama right now is 4 years old. Delta variant is more deadly than the others. Clapton is perhaps helping get some folks killed with his statements. Idiot Trump would not wear a mask. Now we hear he was a lot mor severely ill than we knew at the time. Republicans are against it. Watching their tiny-minded public messaging makes a guy want to get the vaccine. I work in health care and I got it after 3 negative Covid scares. I am glad I did. Covid is giving people brain damage, literally, when the get ill. Young adults are having strokes. There’s a reason for us all. Alan in Seattle

 
At 7/23/2021 07:30:00 PM, Blogger Dan Swan said...

I now work for two senior living centers and they are filled with beautifully intelligent and struggling individuals who have as much right to have a good healthy life as younger people do. We have a responsibility to keep everyone safe, not just the young.

Peace 🙏

 
At 7/24/2021 01:34:00 AM, Blogger Alan said...

Agreed

 
At 7/24/2021 06:46:00 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Ol' Clapped out has been irrelevant for quite some time now

 
At 7/24/2021 10:16:00 AM, Blogger KimberlyRenee said...

The reason we are getting variants and people may need additional booster is BECAUSE so many people have not taken the vaccine.

No one ever said if you get the vaccine that you wouldn’t get COVID. That’s not how most vaccines work. You’re drastically less likely to get COVID, and drastically less likely to have serious complications due to COVID if you’ve had the vaccine.

Everyone ought to make an individual decision based on their specific health situation and in talking with their doctor, but most people ought to get vaccinated unless they have a clear reason not to.

Clapton speaking out against the vaccine in general is irresponsible.

If the vaccine spreads more, there is a higher likelihood of variant strains. The more variant strains develop, the more likely we are to have a strain that is more deadly and/or vaccine resistant.

We need for the vast majority of people to do the right thing and get the vaccine, unless they have a compelling, specific reason not to. Or else COVID is going to stick around for years to come.

 
At 7/24/2021 11:29:00 AM, Blogger Richard B. said...

Clapton seems like quite the ass these days. If people go to his shows and get covid because they refuse to be vaccinated oh well. Sometimes u reap what you sow. Neil can find a better opening act im sure.

 
At 7/24/2021 11:59:00 AM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

I think Kimberly is right on. Unvaccinated people can act as "mixing vessels" for the virus and given that it is an RNA virus it will make frequent mistakes in replication thereby producing more variants- random mutations and one or more will have features that make it more contagious or more deadly (virulent).

Alan and Dan: Right on Friends!!!! I hope everyone is well!!

 
At 7/24/2021 12:17:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

one other point after reading Clapton's words. The "propaganda said it was safe for everyone." How about checking things a bit more Eric? I think you will find that actual medical professionals are not doling out propaganda" and if you had actually consulted with one, you might have actually found out the truth. Your irresponsibility is pretty deep here. You have all the resources and privileges but you choose not to find out the truth which is readily available. Meanwhile people with no resources suffer downstream from your ignorant arrogance.

 
At 7/24/2021 02:35:00 PM, Blogger Grey Rider said...

I feel honour bound to make an announcement of my own: I wish to say that I will not attend any stage where Eric Clapton performs. Unless there is provision made for all people to attend without fear of becoming covid infected, I reserve the right to cancel. What a pompous...

 
At 7/24/2021 02:55:00 PM, Blogger Grey Rider said...

BTW, love Chicago blues, the real thing, not EC's pale imitation.

 
At 7/24/2021 03:31:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

Hey thrash, hope you catch the email I just sent. As to ol' Clappers, color me disappointed but not surprised. Just because Derek & The Dominoes is one of the great rock 'n' roll records of the '70s doesn't mean it's worth dealing with his nonsense 50 years later.

On a tangential note, I'm looking forward to the (delayed) 50th anniversary of George's All Things Must Pass next month. Eric played on that album extensively. His contributions to George's solo work were always stellar, but the apparently tight friendship between the two is fascinating given the seeming contrast of personalities: Eric's ego kinda seems like the opposite of George's Krishna-consciousness. But who knows what any of these people are (were) like in private?

 
At 7/24/2021 06:42:00 PM, Blogger Aer Stephen said...

I was in a car accident once, and wearing a seat belt. I still suffered broken ribs, unla, and scapula. I trusted the propaganda that seat belts save lives and injuries. I am now promoting that no one needs to wear seat belts. Makes good sense, right?

 
At 7/25/2021 02:39:00 AM, Blogger Thos said...

Superb Aer!

 
At 7/25/2021 10:30:00 AM, Blogger Seamus Mc Donnell said...

Spot on,mate

 
At 7/25/2021 10:32:00 AM, Blogger Seamus Mc Donnell said...

Himself and van the man need to ask themselves some serious questions

 
At 7/25/2021 11:22:00 AM, Blogger Dionys said...

On yet another tangential note, September 17 will see the release of Vol. 16 of Dylan's Bootleg Series. Serious fans will know what to think of this "Springtime in New York" (1980 - 1985). So I am interested in your opinion. I saw Dylan for the first time in 1984 and was a little underwhelmed back then.
For the tangential Neil content: long time collaborators Tim Drummond, Jim Keltner also appear on these tracks, alongside many other famous and usual suspects, of course.

 
At 7/25/2021 01:31:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

now that Harrison has been mentioned- he said some disparaging things about Neil during the Bob-Fest and later with Bob Geldof. His remarks seemed disrespectful to me and out of line. Neil has had far more influence than Harrison and he leaves Clapton in the dust. I watched an interview with Neil from 2005 musicians hall of fame- the guy is very generous and welcoming to others and he knows that music is always collaboration. So, who knows what they say in private? Inferences from what they say when they are unguarded is probably the best bet. I will never think of Harrison the same way after his comments, a lot of these people have egos that far outstrip their accomplishments, which is too damn bad for them.

 
At 7/25/2021 03:36:00 PM, Blogger Cyclebrarian said...

Pretty rich to hear EC try to pontificate on and paint himself as anti- discrimination. Lest we forget, this is the same person who called for keeping Britain "white" and kicking out POC, the same folks whose exploitation over centuries built the wealth of the Empire.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eric-clapton-racist-rant/

The guy can/could shred,
but he's got zero cred.

@Richie Cruz, I hope you'll reconsider your hesitancy to get vaccinated. I'm not sure who specifically you identify as "pushing" this whom you distrust and while it's always healthy and understandable to exercise skepticism, given that any and all respectable, reliable, and responsible sources agree that the benefits far outweigh any potential risk, it's hard to imagine they're all engaged in some elaborate global conspiracy. That would be a lot amorphous "they" who are in on the take. On the contrary, I have yet to see/hear of an anti-vaccination argument coming from a trustworthy source.

 
At 7/25/2021 04:37:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

I think we have reached the point where "individual choice" has failed. We need to mandate the vaccine for all citizens, only those with real health reasons for no vaccine to be exempted. Public health trumps individual freedom in this case. Too much at stake, including personal freedoms.

 
At 7/25/2021 07:52:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

Abner, Funnily enough your comment reminded me of this song of Harrison’s. Featuring Eric Clapton and Clapton’s touring line up circa 1991 in Japan: https://youtu.be/4dtPHNYz5KI. “I heard it in the day/airwaves getting filled/with gossip broadcast to and fro/ on the devil’s radio.”

My connection to Harrison’s Beatles and solo music is deep and enduring, but he was putatively a complicated, prickly character… well, so are many of us. It’s often good to separate the artist from the art. In this case, Harrison’s comments would have to be weighed against the enjoyment and insight (and, dare I say, catharsis?) I’ve had from his music. However—I don’t know exactly what he may have said. I recall some clickbait headlines, but am not really interested in what I see as the online equivalent of gossip rags. What a guy I never knew thought about another guy I don’t know means a lot less than what both guys’ songs have given me. For a literary analogy, it’s possible to appreciate both FitzGerald and Hemingway, even if they couldn’t stand each other.

I can think of one time (Dylan’a 30th show, playing My Back Pages) when Neil and George were on stage together. I suspect that’s as well as they knew each other. It’s unfortunate if Harrison misjudged Young based on Down by the River or Hey Hey My My. Then again, you can’t expect to agree with someone on everything. Some of Neil’s harder material *can* seem abrasive and negative at first flush: “Down by the river… I shot my baby”. Yeah, I can see that not being George’s thing. My general impression is that he simply disliked anything he thought was artificial or shallow—and he felt that a lot of the rock ‘n’ roll business was just that. I can be an opinionated curmudgeon, too, so who am I to criticize?

 
At 7/25/2021 08:10:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

A couple final thoughts: Given Harrison was a Beatle, he may have had more influence than people realize, even if his name isn’t on most of the songs. Popular influence, of course, does not imply character… after the last several years in the US, we should all know that… and who knows if they had a bad encounter? Who really cares?

I guess I’m just saying there are no saints here. Even people who know and love Neil will tell you he’s not always easy to deal with. I seem to recall Neil himself, in one of his books, mentioning how Pegi helped him see it wasn’t healthy to think of himself as the “chosen one” (No Hidden Path/CDII period)—talk about ego!

 
At 7/25/2021 08:26:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

ha ha ha, yes I agree with you Ian. My remarks were made when somewhat agitated (agitated all day by all kinds of bullshit). George's comments pissed me off, but you helped me put it all in good perspective. Thanks.

 
At 7/26/2021 06:53:00 AM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

No problem, Abner! Just trying to balance the conversation. Imagine if everything you or I ever said in passing or impulsively had a chance of being publicized and rebroadcast all over the world ad infinitum. I'm sure select quotes could make me sound like a jerk. There's a lot of noise in the world that needs filtering out.

Peace.

 
At 7/26/2021 12:01:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

keeping your points in mind, I went back to the George comments. They still seem quite disrespectful. But, as you say separate the art from the artist. Faulkner did not have the kind of strange magnetism as Hemingway but he was far greater novelist and writer, no comparison really. There was a recent series on Hemingway that was fascinating but, in my opinion, more for the oddity of his person.

 
At 7/26/2021 01:08:00 PM, Blogger Peacelover Doc said...

If people don't want to get vaccinated I guess that's their right but to anyone claiming their reason is political I would point out that Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Shumer, Trump, Pence & McConnell are all vaccinated.

 
At 7/26/2021 03:36:00 PM, Blogger Dan Swan said...

Attention earthlings….. you are stronger together.

Peace 🙏

 
At 7/26/2021 04:54:00 PM, Blogger Richie Cruz said...

"There is no justification for taking away individual rights in the guise of public safety."- Thomas Jefferson

"People will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think."- Aldous Huxley

Once again, that's a 98.9% survival rate for those that get Covid and don't fit into the 3 dangerous categories. (Old age, Obesity, Pre-existing conditions)

 
At 7/26/2021 09:38:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

Dan, thanks for the reminder! I think that's what I was trying to say, in a more roundabout fashion.

Abner, I was referring to Fitzgerald (as in Gatsby) but clearly we both get the point. Funny enough, this thread inspired me to go back to my copy of "George Harrison on George Harrison", which collects interview transcripts from 1962-2001.

The irony is, whatever Harrison may have thought of Young, and in spite of the fact that they are very different artists musically, they raise a lot of the same concerns: Harrison was clearly environmentally conscientious. He actually talked about food labeling and unsustainable agribusiness quite a bit-- a little uncanny when compared with what Neil has said about GMOs and corporate farming. To me, anyway, it seems lopsided to let a few undiplomatic comments dominate my sense of who Harrison may have been.

About vaccines--while I don't necessarily feel personally responsible for people who choose not to get vaccinated, simply disregarding the welfare of the "3 dangerous categories" is not a morally acceptable alternative in my mind. Not to mention the people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons... long term physical and cognitive effects in covid survivors... and so on. You can survive covid and still experience life-altering impacts. Sure, you have the choice not to get vaccinated, but you're open to having that choice criticized if you choose to tell others about it.

 
At 7/26/2021 10:15:00 PM, Blogger Aer Stephen said...

Government propaganda? Really Eric. I would think that you would have done your homework on the Vaccines, especially the one you chose to take. The AstraZeneca is similar to Johnson and Johnson's offering, a viral vector vaccine.

"AstraZeneca’s vaccine uses adenovirus-vectored technology, a harmless, modified version of a common cold virus that usually spreads among chimpanzees. This altered virus carries a gene from the novel coronavirus’ spike protein, the portion of the virus that triggers an immune response. This allows the immune system to manufacture antibodies that work against COVID-19, teaching your body how to respond should you become infected."

And it is well known that the second dose is in 8-12 weeks, and not 6. Clapton has to be a smart man, right? All the trash he voluntarily put in his body over the years, and he is blaming propagada? What about the science and the researchers and the doctors? That is who I listen to. He had to know the pre-existing conditions he had before he made his decision, right? and discussed it with his Doctor? And the 6 week offer came from who? And why did you decide you could change the 8-12 weeks to 6?

What I do know is that the Governments of the world do have an agenda. And that agenda is to get the world vaccinated and stop this killer.

COVID has an agenda, too. And that is to FUCKING KILL YOU.

We all make our choices. I just wish others' choices couldn't kill me.

 
At 7/27/2021 02:25:00 AM, Blogger Dionys said...

I dunno, when it occured the last time, that Thomas Jefferson was seen inside a fully occupied theatre, but I do know that it is not my individual right to scream "Fire!" in there.

The venerable Thomas Jefferson lived in the 18th and early 19th century and while I readily admit, that one has to know where the American society came from to have some idea where it's headed, I think that new circumstances and problems cannot be solved with ancient wisdom that is used outside its historical context. Imagine a German cherry-picking from the history of her or his country. Under these prerogatories Hitler abolished unemployment and built the Autobahns. In their time the founding fathers of the American constitution were revolutionaries, today they and their thinking in many respects would just be called reactionary.

 
At 7/27/2021 08:41:00 AM, Blogger Dan Swan said...

@ Ian : I completely understood what you saying, I just wanted to throw it out there as to echo your point. As for George Harrison, he is someone I hold in the highest regard, and although he was certainly not perfect bye any means, he was also an insightful seeker of truth and beauty. His intentions were typically pure of heart with a spiritual sincerity that was incredibly rare for others in his chosen profession. One only needs to read the lyrics to the majority of his songs to understand where he was at mentally and spiritually. He was and continues to be an inspiration to those who seek truth.

Peace 🙏

 
At 7/27/2021 08:45:00 AM, Blogger Dan Swan said...

@ Aer : Your clarity and facts are most appreciated here.

Peace 🙏

 
At 7/27/2021 09:10:00 AM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

Ian, yes Fitzgerald (who initially helped Hemingway)- "Babylon Revisited" etc.. and of course that horror story Gatsby.

Dionys, great points. Jefferson also assumed, like Locke, that citizens understood the common good.

Sorry for stirring up the George issue. It was not my intent to critique his music, which I cannot do anyway.

 
At 7/27/2021 09:20:00 AM, Blogger Dan Swan said...

@ Abner : No apology necessary…. Your perspective and input are always welcome.

Peace 🙏

 
At 7/27/2021 03:35:00 PM, Blogger Richie Cruz said...

Apparently, because I have some doubts about having something that is still not approved by the FDA injected into me, I want to see people die, especially the ones in the 3 categories that I mentioned. I am an uncaring, selfish monster who probably wears a tin foil hat as I laugh at the numbers of dead people rise.

I mean, that's what you all think, right? God forbid I don't mindlessly follow the herd straight to the needle, that's the vibe I get here.

Every night on my television, there are endless ads for garbage pills and garbage medications for any kind of physical ailment you can think of. Every one of those ads will have some kind of small print about what kind of side effects that can occur from taking these medications, everything from eye problems to stomach pains to actual suicidal thoughts. So looking at it that way, what kind of side effects can be possible with taking this vaccine? We don't know, because no one official is saying anything about that. Yet, I'm supposed to just run right down and get jabbed, because it's my "responsibility"? Sorry, but I have my doubts.

It's interesting that we live in a time of total distrust of the media, politicians, and the "system" as a whole, yet apparently we're supposed to take everything they say about this vaccine as the undisputed truth.

I'm not saying the vaccine is ineffective or something that those who are the most vulnerable shouldn't take, far from it. By all means, if you feel you need it, take it. But NOT ONE PERSON should be FORCED to take it, and nothing's gonna change my mind on that.

There's a part of me that feels bad that maybe I'm most definitely in the minority here, but then again in this thread I've seen George Harrison get raked over the coals and Thomas Jefferson and Hitler get mentioned in the same paragraph, so maybe I'm preaching to the wrong choir.

 
At 7/27/2021 05:42:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

@Richie, I shouldn't make assumptions and I have my own prejudices to work on. Alienating folks doesn't help anyone, so I'll try not to let my frustrations take over. That being said, I'm skeptical that FDA approval is the real hangup here and would rather have the conversation, if we're going to have it, on honest terms.

I got fully vaccinated in May. I can only say I had very mild aching in the arm and haven't personally known anyone with major side effects. Seriously, I currently have more discomfort from a twisted ankle than I ever had with covid shot.

I hope that as time goes on, and it becomes clearer that un-vaccinated people are getting sicker more often (something like 97% of current hospitalizations for covid are among the un-vaccinated) and those of us who have taken the jab are not dropping like flies, more people will gradually have their doubts assuaged.

If we use the categorical imperative, the question is what would happen if everyone refused the vaccine? It's not the perfect or only moral test, but it's worth considering.



 
At 7/27/2021 05:53:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

Dan, thanks for your eloquent perspective on George. And Abner, no hard feelings. Can relate to your frustrations. Hopefully, my other comments smooths the waters on the vaccine issue... I don't think anyone relishes the idea of mandatory vaccination, but the reality is sub-optimal vaccination rates are currently prolonging this pandemic. It is a tough, fraught issue, and I think most of us would much rather live in a world where it wasn't sometimes necessary to cajole people into doing good things.

 
At 7/27/2021 06:07:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

One final point in defense of Dionys. I think they're comments were somewhat misrepresented in regards to mentioning Jefferson and Hitler in the same post. Moreover, if I remember correctly, Dionys is German, which gives different context than if a random American, for instance, had brought up Hitler.

I think the underlying point, which I believe is well-founded, is having conscience and discernment in how we choose to invoke our founders or cultural histories. German people, in my limited experience, tend to be more cautious about this for obvious reasons, whereas Americans often appeal to the authority of the founding fathers like it's a trump card in any argument.

 
At 7/27/2021 06:34:00 PM, Blogger Aer Stephen said...

If one is waiting for FDA approval to be a reason for taking one of the very effective vaccines, you may want to adjust the qualification.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/09/527575055/one-third-of-new-drugs-had-safety-problems-after-fda-approval

Especially the mRNA vaccines. (Moderna and Pfizer)This tech has been worked on for decades, and was ready at the time of this COVID event. It is also readily modified. We are all the final text group. And I am not worried about others being able to infect me, really, as I had the second shot March 5, and I am happy to be one that is helping to protect others (barely a slightly sore shoulder each time). And it makes good sense that a booster may be needed, as almost all vaccines we take as a culture include them.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

I don't think anyone really thinks that those that don't want to get vaccinated and help to dismiss this COVID variation(s) want to kill anyone. That is perposterous. I don't feel like a sheep, either. I feel more like a leader and an example, as I didn't need any governments or oppression to seek out the vaccination as soon as I could. Our government is just making it easy to get the vaccination, and making sure it is not out of pocket expense for anyone. I also felt no need to take it. I did feel a bit of a selfishness, though, wanting to be one of the first to protect myself, and my family, mostly. I am starting to not care about the people who have it readily available, and don't take it. It is a shame that I still have wear a mask in many places because of them, and I am a bit pissed off about that. But the not caring if the non vaccinated get COVID bothers me a bit. But they have had plenty of time to be a part of the solution, and have chosen not to, and that is why the virus can remain active and have more opportunities to mutate, and hang around. So why should I care about them, now? Well, because they are once again filling the hospitals and making surgeries (for example) that would relieve a ton of pain for people be put aside because of those that didn't get vaccinated (97%+) are contracting and spreading it and taking away the availability of services that are needed.

Any one get Measles, mumps, or rubella this year? Polio? Diphtheria, tetanus, & acellular pertussis? Me either. I wonder why.

 
At 7/28/2021 12:24:00 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Mr blues had an issue with "wogs and coons"- old sock- foosty old prick. Tedious tosser. Utter wankstain of a man. Cream is awfully far away now.....

 
At 7/28/2021 10:52:00 PM, Blogger Peacelover Doc said...

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At 7/29/2021 05:04:00 AM, Blogger Aer Stephen said...

hey Doc!

That was a great sentiment and comment you removed (email notification setting sent it out). I agree. But I don't want to drink that much.

 
At 7/29/2021 06:42:00 PM, Blogger Peacelover Doc said...

Thanks Stephen!

 
At 7/31/2021 03:31:00 AM, Blogger Dionys said...

Maybe I overshot my argument when bringing up a standard line of the ultra right apologetics regarding Hitler. I have not been context sensitive enough myself. But I insist: While I admire Paine, Jefferson and Franklin they have to be seen in their day (context 1). While these gentlemen are household names with educated Americans, they are not with the other 95% on this planet facing the question of mandatory Covid 19 vaccinations (context 2). And while I even agree with Richie in some respects, I strongly disagree with E.C. It's a completely different thing to make a personal decision (and bear the consequences) or to publicly declare something, seeking for approval, fully well aware about the bandwith of my statement (context 3). And this E.C. statement is or was not helpful, it did nothing to contribute to the fight against Corona and just showed how out of touch some of these persons are, when their personal comfort zone is concerned.

 
At 7/31/2021 12:01:00 PM, Blogger Jim said...

It is interesting the PCR test has been found to be too inaccurate to continue the "emergency authorization" so they will be putting an end to "cases" on 12/31/21 using that test.

In the meantime, it is still being used by the media and reported as fact.

Duke University in Durham has never used the PCR test to screen people even when people had Covid 19 symptoms in the home. Kari Mullins invented the PCR test and said it should never be used to diagnosis and was disgusted with Dr. Tony for using it with screening AIDS. Yet, you will be reading about "cases" from now to Christmas using that test.

Israel and Iceland have what is considered to be herd immunity with the vaccine rollout with over 70% of the population covered. However, the D variant is spreading like chickenpox there among those vaccinated.

Would assume with so much medical knowledge here everyone knows their Vitamin D blood ng/ml level score, right? My doctor, who worked on the Covid 19 ward at Mt. Sinai in NYC, said those with a blood Vitamin D level under 30 ng/ml had a very tough time with Covid 19 no matter their age or issues. This would make shelter inside away from sunlight "really bad advice" from public health officials, right?

History of a vaccine for the common cold from the San Fransisco Examiner on Sunday, Oct. 8, 1972:

"'It is now known that there are more that 90 serotypes of rhinoviruses, which do not cross-immunize against one another,' Dr. Reed says. 'Furthermore, a new group of viruses has also been isolated. These are called human coronaviruses and they cause typical colds.'

Dr. James Spray of the National Center For Disease Control in Atlanta, Ga., estimates there are at least 200 cold viruses which cause Americans to lose 47 million workdays and 65 million school days every year.

Those viruses do not cross-immunize. This means each virus would need its own vaccine. In addition, vaccines cause antibodies in the bloodstream and cold viruses affect the outer lining of the nasal passages - 'just about as far away from the bloodstream as one can get in the body.' Also, the immunity against a cold lasts about two weeks.

Thus, researchers have decided it is just not worth the effort to develop 200 vaccines which would have to be given every two weeks or so. The U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) closed down its Board of Vaccine Development last year, deciding it was a waste of time and money."

Can you imagine the "payday" there would have been if they came up with a common cold vaccine back then? It would have been like winning the lottery.

Of course, now "gain-of-function" research by Ralph Baric, PhD in Chapel Hill, North Carolina that moved to Wuhan in 2014 when it was banned in the United States might have made this particular coronavirus more like a bio-weapon than the common cold. It was all in the name of science to better understand the common cold.

"Gain Of Function" research is in thousands of "primary source" research papers with the big ones published in 2002, 2003, 2015 (in China due to ban here) and some are labeled "landmark research" that Baric did in Chapel Hill. If you are not familiar with "Gain Of Function" then it is something you should be aware of right now with sources that are non-political in nature or from the media.

As a nation we have to decide if we want to continue funding "gain of function" research that is being done right now and should we allow foundations and tax dollars to fund it as well? Obama banned GOF in 2014 but just before Trump came into office authorized it again.

 
At 7/31/2021 02:25:00 PM, Blogger (D.) Ian Kertis; The Metamorphic Rocker said...

Thanks, Dionys; maybe I wouldn’t have used the Hitler reference point myself, but I don’t think your underlying suggestion was too far afield. It’s just that referring Hitler or Nazism can feel like rhetorical overkill in the wrong context. Then again, if you referred instead to Enoch Powell (for instance), I’m not sure how many readers would get the reference. Always based to err on the side speaking one’s truth, as I see it.

 
At 7/31/2021 04:18:00 PM, Blogger Dionys said...

To be skipped if you are not interested in Thomas Jefferson. One more little footnote or rather a question before I finally shut up for good: Where did Thomas Jefferson stay during the 1793 yellow fever epidemic in the then capital city of Philadelphia, which killed 9% of the the city's population? My superficial research tells me that he retreated to Monticello in December of that year after the worst was over, having ended his term as Secretary of State. And what did he know about his friend Madison and his battle with the disease? A vaccine against yellow fever had not been invented before the 30's of the last century.

 
At 7/31/2021 05:28:00 PM, Blogger Jim said...

Just got back from a 33 day tour of Michigan and on a fantastic night watching the aurora outside in Copper Harbor we went in when it got cold to watch Eric Clapton clearly leading the "Tribute To George Harrison." For me it was thrilling on so many levels but I guess many here would disagree. Also sort of like Eric Clapton's take on J.J. Cale's guitar style which was sort of on full display during the tribute.

It was nice to go way past where the sidewalk ends where the cell phone doesn't work and there isn't any EMF from WiFi (we fry?) to wreck a good nights sleep. "Radar Man's Disease" from strong WiFi might be coming to a home near you if you don't turn off your WiFi while you sleep. Those radar guys got fried so bad in WWII they couldn't find their bunk on a submarine so they did 70,000 research studies on EMF. That isn't mentioned in the wireless marketing is it? Do you think they did all those studies to find out everything is fine?

Having trouble finding a word when talking to friends? Ethernet cable your entire home using the crawl space and improve the signal by at least 1/3 to 1/2. Great fall project with the kids but use a broom for the spider webs.

 
At 8/16/2021 06:20:00 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Reading most of the pro vax comments, I have to realize that among NY fans there are more goons and brainwashed than expected. The vaccine is a hoax, no use at all. Pharma industry is as interested in people's health as the military industrial complex in global piece. Holy Sh...

 

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