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Wednesday, May 04, 2022

52 Years Later: "Ohio", Kent State & Tin Soldiers Still Marching | #MayTheFOURBeWithYou

52 years ago, on May 4, 1970 at ~12:25 PM, a school shooting took place on the campus of Kent State University, Ohio.

Remember those days when students were brave enough to march in the streets and end a war?

Jeffrey Miller - Age: 20
Shot @ 90 Yards From National Guard

Now that today's college students have been safely muzzled by crippling loan debt and "woke" education, there is little need for authority to teach students a lesson similar to that educational day of May 4, 1970. It's been 50 years since shots rang out across a college campus, leaving four dead in Ohio and the lives of so many of that generation changed forever by the day's events.

And so, the tin soldiers march on and on... in Vietnam. Balkans. Iraq. El Salvador. Afghanistan. Libya. Syria. Yemen. Ukraine.

So we here at Thrasher's Wheat look forward, as we look back to that fateful day at Kent State. In the meantime, rest assured that the mainstream media will ignore this anniversary of real news, while busy fabricating the latest fake news.

"Ohio" 45 Atlantic Records Single (w/ "Find The Cost of Freedom")
by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - May 1970
"Ohio" 45 Atlantic Records Single (w/ Bill of Rights picture sleeve) 
by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - May 1970
jeffrey miller sandra scheuer

The Four Dead in Ohio

Allison Krause - Age: 19, 110 Yards
William Schroeder - Age: 19, 130 Yards
Jeffrey Miller - Age: 20, 90 Yards
Sandra Scheuer - Age: 20, 130 Yards  

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At 5/04/2022 10:01:00 AM, Blogger thrasher said...

Bumped comment posted on the 2017 anniversary by Michele Regal:
I was a young girl of not quite nine years old in May of 1970. But my brother was eight years older than I and back in the Vietnam era, the news reported the war very graphically. It was live feed of helicopters hovering over the jungle with sweaty and bloody soldiers pulling limp bodies of fellow bloodied soldiers out of the jungle and on to the chopper.

I lived in Tucson AZ where there is a large air force base. They didnt have any rules about the flight paths over residential areas back then, and jets would make so much noise, they would shake the house. They also made this little girl cry and worry, that my brother was going to be drafted to the war in Vietnam. So, by having an older brother, I was attuned to what was going on in the world, and my brothers music was much as my own as my Partridge Family albums."Ohio" was an anthem and even at my young age, I knew what it meant.

I was very astute for my age. Even my brother says I was born age forty. My heart goes out to Jeffs' mother who posted so eloquently how she felt then and now, what she missed, and so forth. Her post is a tribute to all of the students, and a priceless document by someone so profoundly affected by what happened on that campus, on that day. It should be memorialized. I don't know if she would be alive to today, as he son would be sixtyfive by now (We are now 45 years removed from that horrible day, it is 2015 now) How old might she be now and is she still alive.

I wish I could thank her for her coragous words, her strength and honesty. I wish I could thank Neil Young for his mastery of the English language and his ability to tell a story so accurately. He is a wordsmith. I have cried tears of joy and sadness at his concerts, where I sit mesmerized by the lyrics as much as the musicianship.

The gunning down of those four student took away the innocense of a generation. The deaths took away the feeling that they has a say so in what their country would or wouldnt do.

I grieve these events. I grieve events since then. But these children did in fact die for our country, even though they were no specific uniform, except for maybe, bell bottom jeans and long hair. They were the swoldiers at home, doing what they could to bend the ears of politicians, who were still old school, and didnt recognize that times were changing.

God continue to bless these four young souls. Their lives did in fact have meaning. We continue to remember them today, years later. Recognizing that their lives were stolen lives.

I just want to say, I know the families still grieve, even though they buried their babies 45 years ago. Their lives had meaning. I write this today because they had meaning. I can assure you that people are remembering them, some are just learning about this for the first time and asking questions.

Their lives had meaning. God bless them. I wish I had the ability to write the master post to convey my sorrow, confusion and my attempts to understand this event. But it simply a good thing, that I remember.

God bless all.

At 5/04/2022 10:10:00 AM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

Have we learned anything so that such events are less likely to occur? I would love to say yes, but as Aristotle said, "we love the truth more."

At 5/04/2022 10:39:00 AM, Blogger thrasher said...

Thank you for caring here Abner.

As we've mentioned elsewhere, we're particularly conCERNed about how this anniversary has been hijacked by the Star Wars fans.

Never forget May 4, 1970. never


At 5/04/2022 03:47:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

Thank You Thrasher, we must remember.

At 5/04/2022 04:06:00 PM, Blogger Alan said...

May 4 1970 was a horrible wake-up call to innocent / naive US citizens who thought the US Gov’t was working for the people.

I get chills up my spine every time I hear Ohio.

The students were attacked for nothing, and the infiltrator / provocateur with the gun got away with no consequences.

He was with the Gov’t.

I was raised to fight for civil rights, and citizen’s rights.

Trump wanted to have protestors shot. Right wing Neil Young fans don’t make much sense to me.

But then, neither does the US Gov’t being an Oligarchy.

We DO NOT LIVE in a “Free. Society.” We do not have representative Democracy.

Health care for all must come to the US! Every other western nation has it. Our tax money goes to Wars.

Your Bro Alan in Seattle

At 5/04/2022 04:50:00 PM, Blogger thrasher said...

@ Brother Alan - thanks as always for the passion you bring. love it.

So here's where we were with Brother Jonathan before he split the TW scene.

We had many discussions over the years here w/ Brother Jonathan regarding "Right wing Neil Young fans". At first, we really tried to coach him that all of this hard core partisanship was a trap. Divide & Conquer, yet again. Deja vu and all of that.

Here is exactly what we said to him in the runup to the 2020 election (see
"Battle of Two Songs: Anti-Trump Neil Young vs. Black Pro-Trump Lloyd Marcus" | )

"This is simply more of the same old divide and conquer rhetoric spiffed up to ride along with the latest hate vehicle of the day. The false illusion dialect of the left-right duality is just another trap.

As we commented on another thread awhile ago, anyone with eyes wide open can see, everything seems to be going according to The Plan. Civil War 2.0

Trust us, the Powers That Be want this so bad. The desperation is so palpable that they even dragged out the same 60's script."

Likewise, we suggest to you Brother Alan, that the harder you fight your perceived enemy, the weaker you become.

This is what TPTB want. At each others throat. As long as we fight each other, we're distracted and don't fight TPTB.

We were really hoping that we could have that beer together with you guys some day.

Maybe Brother Jonathan & Brother Dan will return someday, we'll all go to a Neil & Crazy Horse farewell tour. Then we will know world peace is at hand...

I'm a dreamin man, That's my problem

At 5/04/2022 05:50:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

The beer is a definite Thrasher. Richie and I had some harsh words a few weeks back but we were able to overcome those comments. Sometimes a simple apology can go a long way.

I feel Alan's passion and I share it. What is happening in the country now is hard to bear, the latest being the Roe v. Wade crisis. These are hard times, no matter where you stand politically.

Taking some sort of direct action is the best way to cope. I have not been on any social media in a long, long time. There are those out there who only want to fan the flames (as you say).

At 5/05/2022 03:05:00 AM, Blogger Alan said...

@ Thrasher : When I said "Right Wing" I literally meant Facist, as in "shoot the protesters." If that resembles Trump, then so be it. I still say, the Man, Trump, is not the kind of man we should approve of. He is straight outta the swamp. Biden also is a pawn of the Oil industry, the military. Big Pharma. He is a geriatric, and not a tenth of the stamina of Bernie.

When Republicans like Joe Manchin, yes, that is what I said; when Right wing coal barons like Joe Manchin can torpedo the most modest of green legislation because it offends their sensibilities, we need to riot. When Roe V Wade gets overturned, I say millions in the streets! I will see you there. I will be wearing my Che Guevara T-shirt, no, my Neil Young T-shirt (one of the 10 or so)....

I agree that social media divides us and that we must try to understand one another and listen to one another, as Brother Dan always said. I too fall into traps set by AI and social media. Google News feeds me the stuff I tend to click on. I pay a lot less attention to the news after the DNC screwed Bernie and the entire world in 2016 when they nominated the unpopular candidate. The 1% did not wish to pay taxes, it turned out. The DNC, the RNC, both are pawns of the true power brokers. And this shit ain't going away. We can get excited about voting but massive civil disobedience is what it will take to protect women's rights, to save the Earth from Global Warming in UNCHECKED, INCREASING C02 levels the world has not seen in millions of years. Its actually a party! An Extinction party! Ah, I seem to be in a cynical mood.

Predictions: The housing market and economy are about to crash. And, 7 states in the SW USA are going to run out of water VERY SOON. How much is a house worth when no water flows from the faucet? Almost nothing.

On a brighter note, Yes! Lets go see Neil Young in Boise at Outlaw Field together with Abner and other members of the Human Race gang. I know its a long distance for you guys, but its a sacrifice I am willing to make! We can raise a glass without fisticuffs. The Hard Core Neil Young community and others will be in high spirits. Speaking of rioting, in Boise you can just walk through the gate at sound check and nobody stops you. Or is that just if you have a shaved head and security is being done by all the cops? Heh heh heh. If not Boise then some other spot: Red Rocks? Wilco 2023?!

The time of man on Earth is coming to an end, unless we transcend greed and the destructive runaway train we are on.

Americans need Green power, guaranteed food and shelter, health care, just like Jesus would have done! (Not like these hipporcrite Evangelical phonies). We need to save Earth, not prepare for the return of some diety or another. We need community school and day care, not Enbridge Line 3. But until we protest like Europeans, we are screwed. It will take millions in the streets, and we are too busy watching football, etc.

We have capsized in Excess. What we need here is.... Environmental Marching Songs!

Your Tree Huggin' Brother Alan in Seattle

At 5/05/2022 03:14:00 AM, Blogger Alan said...

@ Thrasher @ Abner I meant to say, if we go to Boise to see Neil, Dan will come hang out with us, I just know it.

Dan is a man who values peace and he has a LOT of patience and grace. But, we all have our limits.

A few weeks ago a Global Warming protester burned himself alive in DC on the steps of the "pillars of Democracy,"

If we thought it was weird before, fasten your seatbelts! Personally, I am still holding out hope that UFO's will come and save Earth from Man.

Your old buddy Alan

At 5/05/2022 09:06:00 AM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

Alan, I agree- it is going to get stranger and rougher.

women's rights- that is, human rights, are being radically set back
environmental issues are now beyond crisis
LBGTQ- being attacked, more human right violations and fully "out in the open"
targeting immigrants, radical xenophobia
book banning
literally no gun laws (in many states)

I have found my only way, which is action, peaceful action with words, ideas, research, and civic engagement

At 5/05/2022 10:15:00 AM, Blogger thrasher said...

@ Brother Alan - coming at this from another angle. As activist, one has two approaches:

- attack and fight what you oppose (negative energy)
- advocate and practice what you believe (positive energy)

We see so many activists expending their precious energies in a negative way futility attacking mega opponents. That's what TPTB want and spin up folks in all sorts of ways to make them angry, vindictive, etc

Obviously, we prefer the latter approach. Practice what you preach. Be the change you want to see in the world.

@ Abner - we think you're supporting the positive approach with your methods.

carry on

At 5/05/2022 11:59:00 AM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

I just completed a year long research project with students on water quality in our city. I was mainly mentoring. There were people who raised "objections" to many points concerning methane and nitrous oxide emissions from water treatment plants. But, interestingly, once we started having a dialogue, all of the antagonism was basically gone. A lot of this I have found has do with the literal physical space where citizens engage. Face to face in a city hall, people shaking hands, asking and answering questions, expressing honest worries.., it is all quite promising. Great to see the younger students in the context of the more mature citizens. Bridging gaps will never be a simple project but it is possible and seeing people in their concrete existence is what we need. I am just not a hostile person by nature and I truly believe other people are, for the most part, the very same. I actually tend toward the opposite, I am peaceful.

All I can say is bridge the gap by being human and not an abstraction on social media, a voice without a human body, an echo, where all your worst tendencies might be actualized, but this will not be "you" the embodied person.

We can overcome our problems and our antagonisms as we reach out and engage one another in actual space and time.


At 5/05/2022 02:30:00 PM, Blogger Dionys said...

But then: Why did it take us so long to understand that anonymity in combination with an unhinged radical free speech approach is not bringing about the democratic participation of everyone involved and concerned but the dominance of communication assassins? Why did we fall (I did for considerable time) for these digital messianic promises while it was plain to see from early on, that these were empty hallucinations of self-propelled nerds turned billionaires? And off-topic, but in my eyes the same category of cognitive dissonance, why did many Europeans not realize that the neo-czar is a living pseudo-soviet revenant and a nightmare? Sometimes I come to the resignative conclusion that human stupidity is the only matter that will be abundant as long as humankind roams the earth.

At 5/05/2022 02:51:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

Go back to Heidegger and the Question Concerning Technology and then Borgmann's "promise of technology."

I am relaying a possibility. We have to try something, not commenting on war in Europe. I, for one, am working against civil war and violence in the US.

Your questions are rhetorical, I think you have every resource to answer them.

At 5/05/2022 03:05:00 PM, Blogger thrasher said...

@ Abner & @ Dionys - as we've said before, it is truly great the level of exchanges we see here on heavy topics.

For us full disclosure, transparency and truth are our paths to reducing ignorance.

Reducing ignorance, raising the level of discourse is the only viable path we see to true freedom & peace. glad to have you guys along for the journey.

so we do what we do... separating the wheat from the chaff.

stalk by stalk, kernel by kernel.

"We got a job to do"

ps - just realized that the exact lyric appear in both Be The Rain and Ten Men Workin'?!

At 5/05/2022 03:15:00 PM, Blogger Alan said...

Negative, unless you see fighting to save Earth as positive.

But I do want TW to be positive, so I am subtracting myself,
going “underground.”

See you on the rail.

Alan in Seattle

At 5/05/2022 03:18:00 PM, Blogger Peacelover Doc said...

Sometimes I come to the resignative conclusion that human stupidity is the only matter that will be abundant as long as humankind roams the earth.
Unfortunately, I completely agree with that.

At 5/05/2022 04:23:00 PM, Blogger Dionys said...

I mentioned the current European conflict to balance my other musings, just to make sure that it's understood, that it's not only American digital giants whom we have thank for the global state of (digital) confusion and also to make sure that this blog escapes the hemispherical echo-chamber effect.

While I fully agree that the personal encounter in political debate does have a civilizing effect, I am afraid also that we cannot close the lid on Pandora's box anymore. So we somehow have to step back sometimes and learn to accept limitations, also in content. Although seemingly reasonable the slogan "Think globally, act locally" has its limitations with regards to global challenges and the consensus needed to remedy them.
You, who are on the road must have a code...

As for the unrest and the violence in American society: it pretty much depends where and what you have been looking for the last 40 years. Sometimes it appears to me as if the present urgency correlates with the fact that by now they have reached the middle-class and that in territories that long entertained the illusion that the American Dream will go on forever.

At 5/05/2022 05:32:00 PM, Blogger Abner Snopes said...

nothing offered on such a forum can even begin to fully expose any problem- we are, right now ourselves-experiencing the limits you mention. One must assume all kinds of limitation, some contingent and some necessary, as we enter discussions- this is, itself, the civilizing presumption. Obviously, one must interpret what I said as one small element in an ongoing struggle.

Species claims about stupidity and so forth are also, and most importantly, subject to limits, especially epistemic limits. I have entertained those ideas. They are full of hazards and easily become vacuous, as no evidence counts against them. In short, they easily become slogans and block the roads to inquiry.

Violence in the United States? Conflict? Back up and think multiple causation and dense historical/ecological systems. This is not time for cleverness. Again, that Pandora's Box is open for everyone and the limitations bind to all arguments. The clever or opaque thought/phrase is one object that flies out of the box of faceless technology.

At 5/05/2022 05:46:00 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I graduated from Kent State in 1990 I went one year longer because I had to get the credits. Physics was hard! It's always a solemn day...I remember them showing us the history of the shootings in a movie in our dorm area in the summer of 1985 during our initiation as freshmen or whatever you call it. We always went to the bell. Saw Graham and Crosby play there...

~Union Train

At 5/05/2022 08:51:00 PM, Blogger Hounds That Howl said...

I am starting a movement to INDUCT OHIO into the NATIONAL RECORDING REGISTRY

What is the National Recording Registry?

The National Recording Registry is a list of sound recordings deemed "culturally, historically or aesthetically significant" by the Library of Congress. These recording are not necessarily selected as the “best” recordings of all time, but rather as works of enduring importance to American culture and, hence, in need of permanent preservation by either the Library of Congress or another qualified institution.
Twenty-five recordings are named to the Registry each year.

Who selects the titles for the Registry?

The Librarian of Congress makes the annual selections to the Registry after reviewing hundreds of titles nominated by the public and after conferring with the Library’s curators and the distinguished members of the National Recording Preservation Board.

At 5/06/2022 02:26:00 AM, Blogger Dionys said...

On a lighter note. Today I will pick up my vinyl copies of the OBS series. That will help to overcome this occasional episode of digital depression. Thanks, Abner, for bearing with me. No honeyslide for me though...

At 5/06/2022 05:12:00 PM, Blogger thrasher said...

@ Brother Alan - apologies, we think you have taken this the wrong way. just a gentle suggestion.

but we won't go back and try and re-clarify here. we'll email you sometime when we can.

@ P&LDoc - more like simple ignorance. actually planned ignorance.

@ Dionys & @ Abner - another good conversation here.

IMHO, this is the "Hegelian Dialectic" that we feel Brothers Alan, Jonathan, etc are trapped in.

This getting played by 2 sides against the middle in the Problem, Reaction, Solution trap.

It's all very clearly documented the tactics and strategy. Why anyone stills falls for this is beyond us.

It does track back to sheer ignorance.

Which is why on the whole why the rust community is coping and thriving in these times because we are one of the few groups left who were prepared for the impending Big Shift that we've discussed here for years.

Afterall, look at neil and his readiness for the Big Shift. having NYA up and running in 2020 looks like Nostradamus in retrospect.

We will survive. We will thrive. trust us.

@ Union Train - thank you for sharing and remembering.

never forget May 4 and The Four. never forget. never

@ HtH - ok, go for it!


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