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DEMO: "You Turn Me On I'm a Radio" by Joni Mitchell w/ Neil Young
Joni Mitchell Archives Vol 3: The Asylum Years (1972-1975)
Joni Mitchell has released a demo with Neil Young & The Stray Gators from her Archives Vol 3: 1972-1975 Box titled "You Turn Me On I'm a Radio" (from For the Roses Early Sessions). (Thanks Richard!)
The song "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio", which appeared on their fifth studio album "For The Roses" and as a single at the end of 1972, was recorded at an early stage of the album recording with Neil Young and the "Stray Gators".Neil Young can be heard on electric guitar and his signature harmonica.Tim Drummond and Kenny Buttrey played bass and drums.Recording took place on April 18, 1972 at Wally Haider Studios in Los Angeles.
At the time, Neil Young's album "Harvest" recorded with the Stray Gators and his first top hit "Heart of Gold" was breaking sales records.
Joni Mitchell didn't use this recording for her album.“It just didn’t fit,” she is quoted as saying.On the album track, which was later recorded with studio musicians, Graham Nash can be heard on the harmonica.
The third in a series of box sets from Joni Mitchell’s archives, the released is scheduled for October 6, 2023, via Rhino Records. The set includes previously unreleased
material including a 1971 impromptu studio session with Graham Nash and
David Crosby, as well as demos and alternate studio takes, and concert
recordings.
The musical journey of Joni Mitchell is nothing less than totally legendary. And today we learned quite a few things about her and her song "Carey" from the 1971 album Blue.
But before we get to the incredible back story of Mitchell's song "Carey", here are a few highlights, reeling in the years.
"Sweet Joni
From Saskatoon
Here's a ring for your finger
Burns like the sun
Shines like the moon..." -- "Sweet Joni" by Neil Young, performed with Stray Gators at the Civic Auditorium in Bakersfield, on 3-11-73.
In an interview with Cary Raditz -- the man in the song "Carey" -- we learn quite a bit about all of the key players of the exploding 1960's/ 70's musical scene.
Some publications interpreted the news that the concert recordings included Neil Young and Joni Mitchell together. However, the recordings are of separate concerts by Young and Mitchell. Nonetheless, it did allow us to compile quite a photo gallery of Joni and Neil over (and in) the years.
"Sweet Joni
From Saskatoon
Here's a ring for your finger
Burns like the sun
Shines like the moon..." -- "Sweet Joni" by Neil Young, performed with Stray Gators at the Civic Auditorium in Bakersfield, on 3-11-73.
Analysis Video: How Neil Young and Joni Mitchell Faced Adulthood
Here is an analysis of Neil Young's song “Sugar Mountain“ and Joni Mitchell's “Circle Game” and their vastly different view of teenage transition to adulthood.
Polyphonic, who creates incredibly informative video essays about music, took a look a the vastly different ways in which singers/songwriters Neil Young and Joni Mitchell approached the inevitable subject of getting older. In Young’s iconic song “Sugar Mountain“, he essentially proclaims that the age of 20 is when everyone must put away childish things, whether ready or not, while Mitchell’s song “Circle Game” offers a glimmer of hope, while still lamenting lost youth.
On Neil Young’s 19th birthday he penned a song about a milestone in his life ‘Sugar Mountain’, it’s a powerful song a lament for the loss of youth and the impending responsibilities of adulthood. It’s simultaneously beautiful and heartbreaking. But upon hearing it one of Neil Young’s friends decided there was something missing from the story and so Joni Mitchell wrote a response ‘The Circle Game’, another stunning song about time and aging.
At 9/04/2017 10:11:00 AM, Blogger Syscrusher said...
SUGAR MOUNTAIN
I've never heard this discussed before so here goes. This is off the top of my head so I'm may have some of the details wrong and haven't checked my references.
For years I had always believed that Neil Young had written the song 'Sugar Mountain' on his 19th birthday in Fort William, ON. (I think there was even a detail to that story involving Steve Stills at the Victoria Hotel?).
Now I know this date and location is referenced in John Robertson's 'A Visual Documentary', but I think the story was originally told by John Einarson, probably in his book 'The Canadian Years'.
This had long been one of my most used NY factoids over the years.
Now, it seems that that information was incorrect all along. Though I wonder how such a story could come to be?
In one of Neil's recent memoirs he tells the story of writing 'Sugar Mountain' on his 20th birthday while staying at Joni Mitchell's place in Detroit. That's November 12, 1965 by the way. This story of course makes more sense given the lyrics of the song, and given Joni's close connection to it. She wrote 'The Circle Game' about 'Sugar Mountain' well before 'Sugar Mountain' had ever been released.
So has anyone else noticed these conflicting stories? Is there anyone who always New the real story? If so where did you first here it? Anything to add? Or subtract?
At 9/08/2017 08:24:00 PM, Blogger Syscrusher said...
@Babbo B.,
So I found the information after some scouring. It's the Sugar Mountain rap on Live at The Riverboat. Straight outa the man's lips. This is very important and conflicting information that I've never heard discussed before.
I don't see how Neil's memory could be wrong so soon after the events. I was thinking maybe he confused it with The Old Laughing Lady but he tells that story 3 months earlier in at the Canterbury House, about writing The Old Laughing Lady in Detroit on a Napkin.
I don't have a blu-Ray player at the moment and so don't have access to the full Riverboat rap. Is anyone able to pull up a transcript?
At 9/09/2017 01:24:00 AM, Blogger Babbo B. said...
@syscrusher: It's on YouTube, he indeed says that he wrote "Sugar Mountain" on his 20th birthday in 1965 while visiting Joni Mitchell in Detroit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puGfBfBIoKs (see above)
As we discussed previously, this contradicts the common version of the story in "Shakey" and elsewhere that the song was written on his 19th birthday in a hotel in Fort William while he was there with The Squires. And in "Shakey," discussing that period in Fort William in 1964, he says, "We were the new kids in town and we were pretty hot. Chick Roberts of the Cryin' Shames, he told me, 'That is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard.' That was just after I'd written 'Sugar Mountain.' "
So yeah, it's confusing - though certainly not the first contradiction in the Neil canon, and probably not the last. (And for those who are confused, period, this is a continuation of a discussion that started in a different thread.)
At 9/09/2017 09:44:00 AM, Blogger Syscrusher said...
@Babbo B.,
Good info, very interesting.
So I'm Waging Heavy Peace on page 277 Neil mentions the Chick Roberts story in a paragraph about Toronto in 1965. Says he heard the song at a hootenanny. In this paragraph he's also describing the evolution of his folk style writing first writing The Ballad Of Peggy Grover, then Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing, and then Sugar Mountain. That's how I read it anyway.
I think the Fort William story could be confused with the place where we first lost himself while playing, on Farmer John. Sugar Mountain in '65 where we first came into his own as a writer.
I feel like the 1964 story started with John Einarson, would like to ask him.
At 9/09/2017 01:43:00 PM, Blogger Babbo B. said...
So now we have two versions of the Chick Roberts story, too, one in Fort William in 1964 and one in Toronto in 1965. If the latter is true, guess it all depends whether that hootenanny happened before or after Nov. 12. We know Neil led off with "Sugar Mountain" during his Elektra demo session, which the Archives book tentatively dates as Dec. 15, so that really solves nothing.
And FWIW, Scott Young in "Neil and Me" repeats the 1964 Victoria Hotel version, tying it in with a letter Neil wrote him about being away from home on his birthday for the first time.
At 9/09/2017 03:07:00 PM, Blogger Syscrusher said...
Sorry for the multi-post Thrasher, meant not to do that.
@Babbo B.
Very interesting that the '64 story is in Neil & Me too. That must be the first occurrence of that story.
I feel like The Riverboat rap should get the final word as it is told only 3 years after the fact, or is it 4...
Though to further confuse the matter on The Canterbury House rap which takes place on November 9/10, 1968 he says that he wrote the song '5 years ago' which would place the song in November 1963! And this would be the earliest known reference to the writing of Sugar Mountain.
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