Comment of the Moment: "Toast" - A Roadstory: Neil Young Shares Thoughts on Unreleased 2001 Album
“It's got everything that the best Crazy Horse albums have had.” - Neil
Last week, Neil Young shared his deeply personal thoughts on the unreleased album "Toast" with Crazy Horse. (See "Toast" - A Roadstory: Neil Young Shares Thoughts on Unreleased 2001 Album.)
Back in 2008, we posted here on TW that:
""Toast" is named after a defunct recording studio. "Toast" is "perhaps one of the most under-estimated and deceptive Crazy Horse records of all time, with many songs originally discarded, and then re-recorded with Booker T. and the MGs."
In a followup Comment of the Moment on "Toast" by Setz, he suggested would there have been a "Greendale" without "Are You Passionate?"?
And is there a linkage back to "Sleeps With Angels"?
To help us sort through all of these threads, our Comment of the Moment: "Toast" - A Roadstory: Neil Young Shares Thoughts on Unreleased 2001 Album by Meta Rocker:
Thanks so much Meta Rocker! You're definitely onto something here that Toast is a link between "Sleeps With Angels" and "Are You Passionate?"?
(See Neil Young Album Reviews:
Sleeps With Angels + Preview Tracks)
So much good commentary that one is left without much more to add other than the trite but true observation that: "It's all one song!"
But is it really just all one song?
They say history doesn't repeat but it rhymes. So while the relationship between the continuities and the discontinuities of history and music may rarely have been better expressed by Mark Twain's or Neil Young's epigrams, we continue to search, learn and grow on the road of life.
And so glad we found you guys.
Also, see Whatever happened to... “Toast” by Neil Young & Crazy Horse?
Also, see ‘Are You Passionate?’ Turns 10 Years Old and Neil Young's Album of the Week: 'Are You Passionate?' + Defending AYP?
Also, see Neil Young Album Reviews: Sleeps With Angels.
Labels: albums, neil young, unreleased
Many thanks to Neil for this tantalizing description.
With greatest respect to Dionys, I second Old Black’s motion for a release. I never expected another Homegrown, Chrome Dreams, etc. I’m not looking for perfection, revolution, or Revelation. I just am particularly fascinated by this period of Neil’s (and the Horse’s) career—Toast sounds like something of a lost link between SWA, AYP?, and the latter day Horse outings.
AYP? has long commanded attention from me, despite (or because?) of its idiosyncrasies and drawbacks. I think that’s partly because the same darkness, sadness, uneasy melancholy that Neil associates with Toast remains latent in AYP? as we know it. It’s somewhat oblique in the title track and others, but themes of losing love, regrets, and yearnings run through the set, albeit a bit camouflaged by the polish and swing of the MGs. A long time ago, I gave She’s a Healer the designation of “soul grunge”. I meant it as a compliment and I stand by that assessment.
That being said, I can understand why it wasn’t the first thing on Pancho’s mind when asked by RS about the Horse vaults. The sessions were probably not the happiest memories. Then again, look at TtN or SWA—sometimes, potent art comes out of pain. SWA may be my favorite post-Rust Neil, so clearly I appreciate the “sad” records. At their best, I find they can be incredibly cathartic.
I’ll just say that my feeling on Toast is more about curiosity than expectation and leave it at that.
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That said, many artists tend to be "over-sharers", or at least relatively uninhibited about expressing themselves through their work.
Much like Homegrown, Toast may have been "too much" at the time, but my broad reading of Neil's comments is that, in the end, he wants to share it. If I detected greater reluctance, I might very well adjust my tone for sensitivity. On the other hand, it's difficult to imagine anything more unvarnished or soul-bearing than SWA, Homegrown, or the Ditch albums. I feel many of us are used to be experiencing a full spectrum of emotional territories with and through Neil's music. We shouldn't take it all for granted, of course, but it does seem to have become a way of life--for Ny and for many of us.
As an aside, I was unaware or had forgotten the Toast/Coast connection with John Coltrane. As far as I'm concerned, anything inspired by Coltrane is probably worth hearing. Interesting that, with AYP?, Neil ultimately went instead for the soul/rhythm and blues idiom, the common thread being the white rocker's heartfelt tribute to the deep well of black sounds that flows through the soil (and soul) of American popular music.
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In my opinion, and I could be wrong since I am wasn’t there at the time, SWA is as much about the tragedy of Kurt Cobain as AYP? is about 9/11. In other words, the event had a heavy impact on how the project turned out, but most of the content is not directly related and much of it was already in place beforehand.
I suspect the other poster was referring to the sound and overall feeling of the albums in question. Thinking of say, the subtle jazz undertones of Safeway Cart or the moody noise of Blue Eden, the ambiance Neil ascribes to Toast seems not entirely dissimilar. Aside from memories or fuzzy fan films of the ‘01 Horse tour (the one where Poncho said everything sounded Latin), the only direct evidence we currently have for the sound of Toast is Goin’ Home as transposed onto AYP? I can hear a passing resemblance to SWA’s title track, though the subject matter is obviously different. I’m sure Toast is distinct from SWA and vice versa, but it would make sense if some of the Horse sound developed between SWA and YOH carried over in some form to these sessions.
Finally, I would say that although it’s probably not possible to dissociate SWA from Cobain once that emotional connection is established, I do think it’s theoretically possible that, if you could find someone who had never heard of Kurt Cobain, they could still listen to SWA and get a lot out of it; likewise for AYP? if perchance we could play it for aliens with no knowledge of 9/11. “
‘It’s old but it’s good’, like any other primitive would.”