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Wednesday, November 13, 2013

Neil Young on Farmers and Climate Change



At the Farm Aid 2013 press conference, Neil Young made some impassioned comments about climate change and our farmers.

In this clip, Neil Young states that "Farmers are on the front lines of Climate Change."

Ultimately, we're all on the front lines of Climate Change and farmers are the canary in the coal mine.

We realize that many support these comments about farmers and climate change. Others do not.

And for those who do not believe that climate change is a reality, before commenting, please consider this. Super Typhoon Haiyan which just hit the Philippines was one of the strongest storms ever in modern history -- on the planet. Last year, we had Super Storm Sandy.

Super Typhoon Haiyan

How many more devastating super storms do we have to have to convince you climate change is a reality?

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At 11/13/2013 11:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here we go again. Ok I will consider a so-called "super-storm" if you will consider this :

Human beings have been on the Earth for an infinitesimally small amount of geological time relative to the age of the Earth itself.

To call the typhoon in the Philippines one of the strongest storms on the planet - ever - is simply ridiculous. Why is it ridiculous?

Because we have no way of verifying the claim. No one has been around for 99.9% of the Earth's existence. And guess what? Hurricanes and typhoons have been occurring regardless of man's industrial output in the modern era. They occurred before the industrial revolution.

I realize global warming/climate change is a religion to the leftists. I suppose that is why they throw reason and intellect out the window when challenged on their beliefs.

That's what so-called "climate change" is - a belief system based in modern day leftist political ideology. The climate changes every day.

It's just all so silly on so many levels...sigh...

 
At 11/13/2013 11:27:00 AM, Blogger Greg Mantho said...

I think there are very few people who seriously claim there is no climate change- IMO willfully ignorant people. The point of contention is, what is causing it?

There are those who believe its origins are man made, there are those who believe it is purely natural and cyclical, and there are those who believe it is some sort of combination of the two. I personally do not believe any man made activity represents an appreciable contributing factor (not that it does not), and look at, among others, two facts to support this belief, 1) tears in the ozone and other major climate "anomalies" occurring cyclically throughout history long before the industrial revolution, and 2) climate and atmospheric change throughout the entire solar system, where as far as we know there are no unnatural carbon emissions.

I argue that we should transition out of coal, oil, existing means of production for electricity, and especially nuclear, for reasons having nothing to do with climate change. I believe it is an issue of being good stewards of the environment- the gift of Creator/Creation, and simple human health.

I think there are existing technologies (Tesla energy, geothermal, solar, tidal, wave, wind) that are either in development, have been mothballed, or are being artificially held back by vested interests. I do not accept that these alternatives are light years away, it's a simple matter of where there's a will there's a way, and the simple fact of the matter, is that there is no societal will to transition into sane energy policy.

The reasons for this are grist for a whole other conversation. But Neil is right, climate is going to only become a bigger and bigger issue, the only thing left to discuss is when will humanity wake up?

A Friend Of Yours

 
At 11/13/2013 11:29:00 AM, Blogger Thrasher Wheat said...

Thank you Anonymous. We knew we could count on you.

Yes, it's all so silly.

1,000's dead. Let's pretend it's a religion so we can ignore the facts.

hmm, that's a familiar strategy. Sorry, that might have worked in the past but not much longer.

"When you're confused and the world has got you down
When you feel used and you just can't play the clown
Protecting you from this must be the one you love
Must be the one whose magic touch can change your mind
Don't let another day go by without the magic touch

Protecting you (change your mind)
Restoring you (change your mind)
Revealing you (change your mind)
Soothing you (change your mind)"
~ny

 
At 11/13/2013 11:41:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Thrasher - respectfully...huh? Thousands dead isn't silly & I didn't say that or imply it either.

I said the belief in man-made climate change/global warming/whatever the left thinks it should be called this week is silly. And again, ignoring facts?

I repeatedly lay out cogent arguments against the entire premise of the climate change believers and you never respond to my specific arguments. Not once. Who is ignoring facts here?

My guess is that you don't respond because you cannot do so in an intellectually reasoned debate. Instead you throw a few Neil lyrics & get right back to "feeling" what you think.

Still love ya Thrasher...still love ya

 
At 11/13/2013 11:53:00 AM, Blogger Thrasher Wheat said...

@A Friend Of Yours - thanks.

Exactly. Climate is changing and it's not going to be good. Yes, the why is a big question.

In the past, ice ages were triggered by meteors or volcanoes creating massive atmospheric havoc.

Last we checked, we haven't seen any big meteors or volcanoes in the 100 years or so. Yet, we're seeing changes on a geologic timescale.

Regardless of one's opinion on climate change, it's still the right thing to stop digging and burning fossil fuels and move to clean energy alternatives. The economic, health, and environmental benefits will be enormous.

 
At 11/13/2013 12:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Anon

You can't spout things you think off the top of your head as fact and denigrate the entire scientific community as operating based on "a belief system based in modern day leftist political ideology." Just because using critical thinking skills is difficult does not mean it should not be done...that approach goes for any topic of your choosing. I have offered this challenge to every "denier" i have ever come across, and not one has been successful, but give it a shot...please show me ONE peer reviewed study that debunks man-made climate change

Having intellectual discourse with those that frown on intellectualism is a frustrating enterprise for "leftists" such as myself. I can not imagine how frustrating it is for climate scientists that devote their entire lives to the study of the topic in question.

Dr. J

 
At 11/13/2013 12:33:00 PM, Blogger Thrasher Wheat said...

@Anonymous - why should we debate an "Anonymous" commenter? Why should you be taken seriously?

You've been reading this blog for a long time and you're certainly aware of the IPCC. We would just point you there for facts. Maybe bring a "fact" back and we can discuss. How about melting ice caps?

But why should we bother when you prefer to frame everything into this narrow left/right construct? Do you think that Mother Earth (the climate) sees this as a left/right issue?

Try and lose the left/right frame of reference, please. It's only used to distract, to divide and conquer the masses. Wake up.

We're all one. join us.
peace

ps - a bit defensive about your insensitive "silly" comment, aren't we?

 
At 11/13/2013 02:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Climate change is very real, however I would point out that family-farmed meat contributes as much as (if not more than) factory farmed meat to climate change. The environmental problem is more with the sheer amount of food being raised, rather than the source of it.

However, there are of course other very good reasons not to eat factory farmed farmed meat (animal treatment being top of the list), or indeed meat in general.

There are far less true "farmers" left than most people realise. Even Neil is guilty of a little hyperbole here. Farmers aren't so much at the front line as consumers are. What you don't eat is equally important as what you do. We are the ones with the real power.

The Flying Scotsman.

 
At 11/13/2013 02:53:00 PM, Blogger Dan1 said...

I wish I had more answers but I have a few questions:

1. Why do proponents of the theory that 'climate change' is caused by humans insist that its fact?
2. Why did many of the world's top 'climate change' scientists collude to suppress data that was potentially contradictory to their hypotheses?
3. How many from the ardent climate warming is caused by humans camp are willing to either a) change their lifestyle, or b) invest 15-20% of their disposable income into a "cleaner" lifestyle?

I don't always agree with Neil but I admire him for walking the walk and investing his time, celebrity, creativity, and money towards his beliefs. I think he's on to something big with Lincoln Volt ... EVs can go a very long way toward reducing the emissions problem. Entrenched interests in our political system make it difficult to affect change but that doesn't mean we aren't responsible to try (How can you run when you know?)

I also totally agree with Thrasher - that with respect to the left/right construct, everyone knows this is nowhere ...

 
At 11/13/2013 02:55:00 PM, Blogger Thrasher Wheat said...

Thanks The Flying Scotsman for bringing this back to the YT clip above.

Good point about the role of the consumer in all of this. The concept applies to everything.

Everyone is capable of modifying their behavior to make a difference.

 
At 11/13/2013 05:16:00 PM, Anonymous Dayton Dave said...

"How many more devastating super storms do we have to have to convince you climate change is a reality?"

The logic in the post is flawed; bad storms are evidence of climate change.

Let’s not forget that this year was once of the quietest hurricane season on record for the US.

And a leaked draft of the UN's forthcoming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report has significantly downgraded our confidence in the idea that global warming will lead to more intense hurricanes (or, is already doing so). Back in 2007, the IPCC said it was "more likely than not" (meaning, a greater-than-50-percent probability) that human activities—through global warming—were contributing to an observed intensification of hurricanes in at least some regions of the globe. Now, by contrast, the IPCC says it has "low confidence" that this is happening.

 
At 11/13/2013 05:46:00 PM, Blogger Thrasher Wheat said...

Thanks Dayton Dave but we'll withhold judgement on a "leaked draft" for now.

That said, there is increasing evidence that climate change is making the impacts of storm surges worse by raising the underlying sea levels.
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/typhoon-haiyans-deadly-surge-noted-in-warsaw-16730

 
At 11/13/2013 07:20:00 PM, Blogger Dan1 said...

In the spirit of providing some source material behind my questions, see the following link, from a 11/30/2009 New York Times article by John Tierney, plus an excerpt:

"The story behind that graph certainly didn’t show that global warming was a hoax or a fraud, as some skeptics proclaimed, but it did illustrate another of their arguments: that the evidence for global warming is not as unequivocal as many scientists claim. (Go to nytimes.com/tierneylab for details.)"


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01tier.html?_r=3&n=Top/News/Science/Columns/Findings

While for me the jury is still out on the whole climate change debate, I'm 100% for respecting the planet and following Neil's lead ... the power is indeed in our hands

 
At 11/14/2013 02:08:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get out the duvet

 
At 11/14/2013 12:57:00 PM, Anonymous Dayton Dave said...

Let's not forget that back in the 70's both Time magazine and Newsweek published stories on impending global cooling and a possible ice age. The scientist didn’t get it right then and I don’t have confidence they know what they are doing now.

Climate and the factors that effect it are just too numerous and too complex for any scientist to be able to predict - the sun, water vapor, earth's orbit, volcanoes, interstellar clouds, cosmic rays, tectonic plates, land use, CO2, sunspots, gravitational pulls, ocean currents and solar flares...

By the way, NASA reports because of Solar Flares the Sun is the hottest it has been in over 100 years. They also report ice is melting on Mars. Coincidence? There are no people or cars on Mars.

 
At 11/14/2013 10:25:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Dayton Dan

Everything you said is incorrect

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Dr. J

 
At 1/13/2014 01:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sigh, another alarmist fallacy.
I see someone even referenced the fully debunked site skeptical science. 97% consensus fiddling anyone?

There is no link between extreme weather and global warming. Even the IPCC has backed away from this in their 5th report.
A warmer climate leads to a less steep temperature gradient between the equator and pole causing less turbulence and less storms.

Warming also has nothing to do with jetstream weakening in the climate record, it is related to solar cycles in conjunction with Rossby waves and the QBO causing sudden stratospheric Warmings.

The fact is that there hasn't been warming for 17 years anyway.

The Mediaeval Warm Period was hotter than today with far less CO2, I can't believe the religious alarmists are still going despite being fully debunked!

Ah well I guess every religion has it's fanatics.

 
At 1/18/2014 10:17:00 AM, Blogger Lawrence said...

I think Neil, like most is reacting to the way the media and the Obama regime give far too much blame on the cause of AGW, If Neil were to just look at the recorded history of USA hurricanes he would see that they were far bigger and far more frequent in the past way before AGW . Just because Neil writes one of my favourite songs of all time 'Like a Hurricane'. That doesn't make him the font of all human knowledge on them..

He and others really need to do their homework and look at the facts and not the shrill propaganda , He could start with the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 with removed the town of the map after devastating the Gulf of Mexico. Close to home the Hurricanes in the forties and fifties and sixties that were far more powerful than Sandy which wasn't even a category 1.

 

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