Archives Track Listing - Release Date Now June 2, 2009
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From our trusty source Archives Guy on Neil Young Archives Vol 1 ... drum roll ... release date is now June 2nd 2009.
Includes:
- Bluray, DVD, & CD editions
- BD and DVD with free mp3 download of the tracks
- Ability to buy a full set or any disc in all formats individually.
- Ability to buy the book or poster individually, mix and match, create your own set.
Pre-order on neilyoung.com and get a free BD Disc 0 early + a free 45 single with Aurora and Mustang
Thanks Archives Guy!
We understand that due to some of the comments on this blog that marketing adjustments were made on the box set. Nice to know that someone is listening to Neil's fans.
And, everything that you have ever wanted to know about the Neil Young Archives: The Trick of Disaster.
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***BREAKING***
TRACK LIST:
Disc 00 EARLY YEARS (1963-1965)
1. Aurora The Squires – from the 45 RPM single (mono)
2. The Sultan The Squires – from the 45 RPM single (mono)
3. I Wonder The Squires – previously unreleased song (mono)
4. Mustang The Squires – previously unreleased instrumental (mono)
5. I'll Love You Forever The Squires – previously unreleased song (mono)
6. (I'm A Man And) I Can't Cry The Squires – previously unreleased song (mono)
7. Hello Lonely Woman Neil Young & Comrie Smith** – previously unreleased version
8. Casting Me Away From You Neil Young & Comrie Smith – previously unreleased song
9. There Goes My Babe Neil Young & Comrie Smith – previously unreleased song
10. Sugar Mountain Neil Young – previously unreleased demo version (mono)
11. Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing Neil Young – previously unreleased demo version (mono)
12. Runaround Babe Neil Young – previously unreleased song (mono)
13. The Ballad Of Peggy Grover Neil Young – previously unreleased song (mono)
14. The Rent Is Always Due Neil Young – previously unreleased song (mono)
15. Extra, Extra Neil Young – previously unreleased song (mono)
**(And for those of you who are wondering who Comrie Smith is, see Uncut mag. Thanks Roel!)
Disc 01 EARLY YEARS (1966-1968)
1. Flying On The Ground Is Wrong Neil Young – from the Buffalo Springfield Box Set (mono)
2. Burned Buffalo Springfield – from the album Buffalo Springfield (mono)
3. Out Of My Mind Buffalo Springfield – from the album Buffalo Springfield (mono)
4. Down, Down, Down Neil Young – previously unreleased version (mono)
5. Kahuna Sunset Buffalo Springfield – from the Buffalo Springfield Box Set (mono)
6. Mr. Soul Buffalo Springfield – from the Buffalo Springfield Box Set (mono)
7. Sell Out Buffalo Springfield – previously unreleased song (mono)
8. Down To The Wire Neil Young – from the album Decade (mono)
9. Expecting To Fly Buffalo Springfield – from the album Buffalo Springfield
10. Slowly Burning Neil Young – previously unreleased instrumental
11. One More Sign Neil Young – from the Buffalo Springfield Box Set
12. Broken Arrow Buffalo Springfield – from the album Buffalo Springfield Again
13. I Am A Child Buffalo Springfield – from the album Last Time Around
Disc 02 TOPANGA 1 (1968-1969)
1. Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere Neil Young – from the stereo promotional 45 RPM single-second pressing
2. The Loner Neil Young – from the album Neil Young
3. Birds Neil Young – previously unreleased version
4. What Did You Do To My Life? Neil Young – previously unreleased mix
5. The Last Trip To Tulsa Neil Young – from the album Neil Young
6. Here We Are In The Years Neil Young – from the album Neil Young–second version
7. I've Been Waiting For You Neil Young – previously unreleased mix
8. The Old Laughing Lady Neil Young – from the album Neil Young
9. I've Loved Her So Long Neil Young – from the album Neil Young
10. Sugar Mountain Neil Young – previously unreleased stereo master
11. Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
12. Down By The River Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
13. Cowgirl In The Sand Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
14. Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
Disc 03 LIVE AT THE RIVERBOAT (TORONTO 1969)
1. Sugar Mountain Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
2. The Old Laughing Lady Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
3. Flying On The Ground Is Wrong Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
4. On The Way Home Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
5. I've Loved Her So Long Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
6. I Am A Child Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
7. 1956 Bubblegum Disaster Neil Young – previously unreleased song
8. The Last Trip To Tulsa Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
9. Broken Arrow Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
10. Whiskey Boot Hill Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
11. Expecting To Fly Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
Disc 04 TOPANGA 2 (1969-1970)
1. Cinnamon Girl Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
2. Running Dry (Requiem For The Rockets) Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
3. Round And Round (It Won't Be Long) Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
4. Oh Lonesome Me Neil Young with Crazy Horse – previously unreleased stereo mix
5. Birds Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the 45 RPM single (mono)
6. Everybody's Alone Neil Young with Crazy Horse – Previously unreleased song
7. I Believe In You Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album After The Gold Rush
8. Sea Of Madness Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – from the original soundtrack album Woodstock
9. Dance Dance Dance Neil Young with Crazy Horse – previously unreleased version
10. Country Girl Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – from the album Déjà Vu
11. Helpless Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – previously unreleased mix
12. It Might Have Been Neil Young with Crazy Horse – previously unreleased live version
Disc 05 NEIL YOUNG & CRAZY HORSE–LIVE AT THE FILLMORE EAST (NEW YORK 1970)
1. Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
2. Winterlong
3. Down By The River
4. Wonderin'
5. Come On Baby, Let's Go Downtown
6. Cowgirl In The Sand
all previously released live versions
Disc 06 TOPANGA 3 (1970)
1. Tell Me Why Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush
2. After The Gold Rush Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush
3. Only Love Can Break Your Heart Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush
4. Wonderin' Neil Young – previously unreleased version
5. Don't Let It Bring You Down Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush-first pressing
6. Cripple Creek Ferry Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush
7. Southern Man Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush
8. Till The Morning Comes Neil Young – from the album After The Gold Rush
9. When You Dance, I Can Really Love Neil Young with Crazy Horse – from the album After The Gold Rush-first pressing
10. Ohio Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – from the stereo 45 RPM single
11. Only Love Can Break Your Heart Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – previously unreleased live version
12. Tell Me Why Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – previously unreleased live version
13. Music Is Love David Crosby, Graham Nash & Neil Young – from the album If I Could Only Remember My Name
14. See The Sky About To Rain Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
Disc 07 LIVE AT MASSEY HALL (TORONTO 1971)
1. On The Way Home
2. Tell Me Why
3. Old Man
4. Journey Through The Past
5. Helpless
6. Love In Mind
7. A Man Needs A Maid/Heart Of Gold (Suite)
8. Cowgirl In The Sand
9. Don't Let It Bring You Down
10. There's A World
11. Bad Fog Of Loneliness
12. The Needle And The Damage Done
13. Ohio
14. See The Sky About To Rain
15. Down By The River
16. Dance Dance Dance
17. I Am A Child
all previously released live versions
Disc 08 NORTH COUNTRY (1971-1972)
1. Heart Of Gold Neil Young – previously unreleased live version
2. The Needle And The Damage Done Neil Young – from the album Harvest
3. Bad Fog Of Loneliness Neil Young with The Stray Gators – previously unreleased version
4. Old Man Neil Young with The Stray Gators – from the album Harvest
5. Heart Of Gold Neil Young with The Stray Gators – from the album Harvest
6. Dance Dance Dance Neil Young – previously unreleased version
7. A Man Needs A Maid Neil Young with the London Symphony Orchestra – previously unreleased mix
8. Harvest Neil Young with The Stray Gators – from the album Harvest
9. Journey Through The Past Neil Young with The Stray Gators – previously unreleased version
10. Are You Ready For The Country? Neil Young with The Stray Gators – from the album Harvest
11. Alabama Neil Young with The Stray Gators – from the album Harvest
12. Words (Between The Lines Of Age) Neil Young with The Stray Gators – from the original soundtrack album Journey Through The Past
13. Soldier Neil Young – previously unreleased mix
14. War Song Neil Young & Graham Nash with The Stray Gators – from the 45 RPM single (mono)
Disc 09 JOURNEY THROUGH THE PAST - A FILM BY NEIL YOUNG
* Available for the first time since its original theatrical release in 1973
* In 5.1 DTS© surround sound and stereo
* Includes rare performance and documentary footage of Buffalo Springfield, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, and scenes from the recording of the Harvest album featuring Neil Young with The Stray Gators
Special features include:
* Theatrical trailer
* Radio spots
* Archival galleries
Visit neilyoung.com for full pre-order info and a personal message from Neil.
From Archives Guy update:
I'll find out about UK orders thru ny.com
BD and DVD are region free
Tracklist doesn't list the hidden tracks, video and film clips or Easter eggs...CDs have no hidden tracks
There will be more van der Linden footage on North Country.
Pre order folks get to test drive BD live with the Disc 0 that they get before the release date.
- Chicago Sun Times - "SXSW 2009: Neil Young's archives, finally here and absolutely amazing" by Jim DeRogatis:
For devoted followers of Neil Young--and, really, what rock fan with a modicum of taste isn't?--the long-rumored, long, long-anticipated first installment of the singer and songwriter's massive box-set career overview has been something of a Holy Grail--and quite possibly just as mythical.
But it's here. It exists. (I've seen and touched it!) It's a got a firm, no-kidding release date (June 2). And not only is it absolutely amazing, it quite possibly is a model for the only kind of recorded product that independent and chain stores alike will still be selling in the post-CD future.
For as long as I've been coming to SXSW, I've never seen a panel devoted to discussing a single new release. But then "Neil Young Archives, Vol. 1: 1963-1972" isn't just any piece of product, and Saturday's session and demonstration was more than just hype.
Quite simply, "Archives" is Young's life in a box, with not only every studio album and every important concert he played during the first decade of his career (so long as they were captured in quality recordings), but every song he wrote and recorded, lavishly augmented with extensive histories, rare photos, the original hand-written lyrics, live concert, interview and behind-the-scenes video footage, recording notes, diary entries, postcards to his mom and just about anything and everything else he ever collected during his storied career.
- Bitstream: SXSW 2009, Day 4: plum panels, Perfect Pants by Ken Richardson:
Panel No. 2: 'Neil Young Archives.' Volume 1 is finally coming, on June 2. (For details, see my previous Bitstream post.) 'It's not a boxed set,' says manager Elliot Roberts. 'It's a biography. It's actually a life.' Roberts is so enthusiastic about sharing a preview with the audience that when his cellphone rings — and it's Neil himself — he doesn't take the call! But, referencing the project's incarnation on Blu-ray Disc, Roberts does share with us Neil's motto: 'Quality, whether you want it or not.'"
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OH yeah! Can't wait!
what about us in the UK... can we order off neilyoung.com?
i want blu-ray and dvd... hope the blu-ray will work on uk player!!
Well, at least i dont have to buy Massey Hall and Filmore again....but still very disappointed with the track list.
Soooooooooooooooooooooo many released songs that we'll have to buy again. I am not impressed.
I didn't run the numbers but my guess is 65% of all songs have been previously released.
Where is the ju$tice in that, Neil.
Greedy, greedy hand!
This tracklisting appears to omit 12 "hidden tracks" of which there is strong speculation that several are unreleased including live CSNY and live Springfield of some nature.
Thanks, Archives Guy, for posting this track listing! Incredible.
And for those of you who are wondering who Comrie Smith is:
http://www.uncut.co.uk/music/neil_young/special_features/12865
Wow, that really looks fantastic! What a great project. Neil's message almost got me convinced to go for Blu-Ray (one more reading and I will be...). But eh, just to have something to bitch about, it's a pity not one of the early CSNY shows is included (copyright reasons I guess..), nor the London BBC tv-show. And an aside: does anybody know if the full Wim van der Linden ranch-film will be included, or just the part you can see on the Massey Hall disk?
True, there's a lot of released songs on the track list, and songs with just a different mix. I was silently hoping for a live session fron Topanga Canyon, or something spectacular. Still, will be great to hear all those tunes in this setting, and not just in the order of earlier releases.
Some German fans are wondering, if there will be a special Blu-Ray Edition for Europe, because it says "Code 1 - only USA and Canada".
Maybe Archives Guy could tell us the answer?
Thank you up front!
I don't get why the CD edition doesn't include the Journey Through The Past s/t.
I look forward to the archives though, June 2nd isn't far :)
I'm presuming Volume 2 will include a lot more of the stuff we've all been waiting for, but gee - after all these years of waiting for the mythical Archives, I've got to say I'm underwhelmed by the track listing. I'll probably be castigated for saying that though, and told that "Neil can do what he wants" and "if you don't like it, don't buy it" etc, but I suspect a lot of you will feel the same way as me.
I didnt think there would be material exactly from previously released albums... I thought it would only include alternative takes. That sucks. I dont need the same versions as on the albums. I just cancelled my pre-order.
Guess what?
Neil can do what he wants and if you don't like it, don't buy it.
ha. there. turkey.
The Topanga Tourist
In reply to a few questions
I'll find out about UK orders thru ny.com
BD and DVD are region free
Tracklist doesn't list the hidden tracks, video and film clips or Easter eggs...CDs have no hidden tracks
There will be more van der Linden footage on North Country.
Pre order folks get to test drive BD live with the Disc 0 that they get before the release date.
-Archives Guy
Thanks Archives Guy!!!
We appreciate your sharing all the info!
Hey Archives Guy,
Glad to see the Archives team is listening to the fans. You guys are all class!
When you order the discs seperately, are they all shipped in their own cases? I assume that if one orders the full Blu-Ray set, then the discs come in some sort of collectible sleeve. Does this sleeve come with the set if I ordered a few discs, and the book?
Thanks very much, and keep up the good work.
Yeah, it's cool that they're giving away a blue disc free.
Doesn't seem like a greedy hand move to me??
Where do these tightwads come from?
Are they unemployed? Or just jerks?
joe
I wonder if the previously released songs are remastered. Otherwise I don't see the point in releasing them again. Obviously any fan hardcore enough to buy the archives will already have all the albums
"...Some are saints. And some are jerks!"
-Joe
Hmmm..which song is that from?
geezzus h christ
is it any wonder that neil's taken 20 years to release archives
folks bitch about everything.. whats on it..whats not on it
the price or format or color of box
guess somebody wil complain that shipping is extra next
Love how someone says they've canceled their preorder already.
like right.
So they ordered based on all the previous known & unknown stuff, then we get exact details, they bail.
Har, har. Me thinks they're somebody who doesn't like new songs prolly.
I accidentally closed Neil's message before I read it all :-( Now I can't find how to read it again...any ideas?
As I live near Sacramento any chance of a warm up gig for Canada somewhere maybe between here and Mountain View? Moving from England last year I thought I may get to see NY more often rather than every five years...! And he is now playing my home town - Nottingham!
Light a candle for where were going..... I don't know whether I'm coming or going!
happy days.
Bloody hell what a bunch of wankers.
The Mustang single should be totally kewl.
Seeing Neil @ Glasto and can't wait. Actually more excited about fest than nya but trying to decide what format still?
Anybody know about this Poster ?
Alistair
You know....this looks official and all, but it doesn't appear to be all correct. I'd like to bring some errors to folks attention:
1)There Goes My Babe is NOT an unreleased song. it appears on the BS box set.
2)Hello Lonely Woman is not an unreleased VERSION. It's an unreleased SONG. What version has Neil ever released? Was this a bluenotes b-side or something?
3) The Rent Is Always Due is NOT an unreleased song. It appears on the BS Box.
Maybe Archives Guy can Comment. Also, where do we go to get the track listing for the hidden tracks. Supposedly they are printed on the box and a few folks have pdfs of these?
LRR
At first, I was put off by the idea of having songs on the Archives that are exactly the same as the album/released versions. But, considering that this is meant to be a comprehensive picture of Neil's work during this era, then I can see including them. Indeed, it might seem strange to omit his most famous songs in their most famous incarnations.
Where the Archives Guy, et al. clearly went wrong (respectfully) is releasing the Fillmore and Massey Hall Live albums in advance of this. As a result, it makes the whole collection look even more like a re-hash. It makes it look like the Neil folks are egregiously double-dipping. I think people would be more blown away by this (obviously great) effort if the Fillmore and Massey Hall sets were coming to them fresh. I hope this mistake isn't repeated with the next installment.
-Big Old Rig
Will Fork In The Road be out in Blu-Ray? I hope so! Can anyone confirm this? Thanks
Jonathan Criswell
Hershey, PA
I was among the lucky ones who got to check out the SXSW Music panel with Messrs. Roberts, Johnson and Lutjens today. http://sxsw.com/music/talks/schedule?action=show&id=MP060583
I'm pretty much in agreement with what Jim Derogatis has reported at suntimes.com http://blogs.suntimes.com/derogatis/2009/03/sxsw_2009_neil_youngs_archives_1.html#more
for those of you that want to see Neil's message again, go into your browser's Internet Options and delete cookies. LRR
What an amazing package and options - you can pick and choose single discs, so you dont have to purchase massey and fillmore again.I already have them, but will be buying the complete Bluray version.Cant see how amyone can complain....
Also Have a question for Archives Guy - Im from Australia and know the discs are region free which is great, but can we order the Archives on NeilYoung.com. Want the preview BD disc plus the single.
Cheers,
Mick
Thrasher, maybe you should just change the link at the bottom to 'post a positive comment'. Looks like any negative posts or comments aren't welcome. As usual. And by the way Alistair, what's cool about spelling cool kewl? Looks pretty silly to me.
Yawn.... Wake me up when it's delayed again. Clancy
Preorder from Europe seems to work. Accepted my address and added shipping.
I like the option to choose individual disks. Can't see the point in blu-ray for old mono recordings myself.
Thanks Archive Guy for listening.
Big thanks to Thrasher for making the exchange possible.
MM
WOOO HOOO!!!! Halleluiah!! Praise THE LORD!
AWESOME CAN”T WAIT!!!!!
No really.... people you can't complain because I've NEVER EVER even heard of a more ambitious project/box set especially not one that has been anywhere near more accommodating to the buyers/fans. Neil Young, Archives guy, Archives Team you guys have really outdone you're selves and I and I'm sure every Neil Young fan thanks you or will thank you when we are holding the finished product in our hands. But now just get it out to us! We're salivating over here. The new material must always come first....(and also can’t wait for my copy of FORK IN THE ROAD!) but then we want NYA!!
One question...with the free mp3 down loads for DVD/Blue ray buyers...will that include the tracks that may or will be released later? The ones Blue ray buyers can upload? The DVD buyers shouldn’t miss out on any treasures you guys might unearth later on
Anyways THANKS AGAIN GUYS! You've really come through for the fans! Maybe the press will pick up on that and write about it!
“SOONER OR LATER IT ALL GETS REAL!”
Now that the Blu-Ray edition comes with the free Mp3 downloads I'm going to buy the Blu-Ray version. One question though - does the box come with a download code that I put into my computer through Neil's site which would enable me to download the MP3s onto my computer? I don't have internet access on my PS3 so I can't download them that way yet.
Archives Guy- The Archives ordering website does NOT do enough to distinguish the DVD and the CD versions beyond state the deltas in resolution. I believe this is a mistake. Please make it clearer that the DVDs contain SIGNIFICANTLY more content than do the CDs. The track-listings posted would lead one to believe that the only delta between the CD and DVD editions are the resolution and the inclusion of JTTP. This is doing a dis-service to the DVD edition. Please enumerate to whatever degree you feel appropriate the video content and bonus content on the DVDs or you may be stuck with misunderstandings driving folks to the CDs. We know better but there is a lot more "public" our there who may still not get it. A humble suggestion. Thanks, LRR
This is great news. FITR and the Archives will make this a great year to be an NY fan. It is great time to be alive.
Percy
Archives Guy- Following the assumption that each of the four period albums are NOT represented in their entirety, but should be, on the Archives, I have a suggestion. Please consider delivering 4 widgets through BD-Live to the timeline which will allow each of the four released Albums to be played in their entirety with a single click. The widget would consist of the audio tracks for the missing songs, the album artwork and a player. Living in the timeline, this feature would in no way compromise the playing sequence of the regular part of the archives.
Come to think of it, this idea is ugly technically. As it stands, EKTIN and ATGR are spread across two disks each and so the Albums couldn't be played in their entirety without a disk swap or a much fatter digital download.
A few questions first of all is Sugar Mountain Canterbury House going to be released on Blu-Ray? second will this set contain the full original studio albums from this time period. or will they be released sepratly on blu-ray in the future. Why isn't any of the mynah birds listed in the archives vol.1? TIA
In reply to a few questions-
Yes, all the previously released tracks have been remastered at Redwood Digital from the master tapes.
The hidden tracks are HIDDEN and don't appear in the pre-order track list. You get this information when you play your BD or DVD.
The individual disc offer is only available online thru neilyoung.com. You will not be able to buy these in a record store. Each individual disc will have different packaging than those in the box editions. Each individual disc will have a booklet with it's track list, song info and credits.
The Anon who mentioned that this is a comprehensive collection and therefore should include all the well known and famous songs has hit the bullseye in understanding why many previously released tracks are included (remastered). This isn't just a collection for the intense fanatic who already knows way more about Neil Young than any sane person should....it is for everyone and therefore offers a complete picture.
The mp3 download includes only the tracks on Volume One. It doesn't include any future releases or BD-Live material. The BD-Live content can only be accessed via Blu-ray. Won't be ever on
DVD or CD or mp3.
The mp3 download is done with a card that comes in the set with a code on it. Yes you can download it with your computer. It is only the BD-Live downloads that are limited to PS3 and other internet ready BD players.
Clancy- the release date won't be delayed again. the set is ready now...whereas it wasn't before.
You can go back to sleep now.
I'll see that the web guys do something about the NY letter/cookies issue.
it's been a long day. More answers at another time.
-Archives Guy
I am glad the DVD of Journey is available separately. I am gonna have to buy the CD set, because I simply cannot afford to upgrade my whole system. I just can't. I don't have the speakers or the Blu-Ray player. I have to listen the tradional way. Yeah, I feel left out of the cool video content and the updates of Blu-Ray, but it's just how it has to be for me. I with I could just throw the money down and go along for the ride, but cannot justify spending the money. We have a tight budget.
Please be sure to rub all the cool video content in my face at every opportunity, though.
Fork In The Road will be released on Blu-ray and is currently in production with a TBA release date.
The main video program for the disc will be a full length performance piece and NOT one of our screensaver/wallpaper releases.
Audio of course will be 24 bit/ 192 kHz uncompressed.
Live At Canterbury House is not scheduled at this time for BD release.
-Archives Guy
Thanks Archives Guy! Great news!
Have a restful evening.
I'm looking forward to this, but it's volume 2 and "Homegrown" that I really want. Oh and the studio version of "Greensleaves" from the same period.
- Glenn C
Thanks for answering my Mp3 download question Archives Guy.
This is, of course, great news.
I do wish that the original albums, now finally remastered, had been there complete and in order. I guess the hidden tracks might fill the gaps ... the previously unheard/unseen stuff is gonna be a treat.
My only concern is that if Blu-Ray sinks one day we are left with a precious hi-res Neil document in a defunct format (look at DVD-A). I know Neil writes that it isn't going away, but Neil said a lot of things over the years in relation to this project .... not to complain ... glad it's finally here, but I think the promised future BD live content and the free Disc 00 with pre-order is a bit of a shame for those who can't meet the financial outlay.
Glad it's finally here. Praise Neil.
Carl S.
I don't have a BD-player, nor do I anticipate buying one in the near future, but because of the free mp3 downloads of every tracks I think I'll get the BD version anyway.
If I get the DVD or CD versions I'll die of jealousy when everyone starts downloading amazing extra material and probably have to go and buy it again on BD.
At least if I get BD first time round - even if I can't use it properly until I can afford the BD-kit - it stops me buying the set twice!
what is the difference between BR & DVD version ? Quality ?
Do I need the 'Archives'?
I have enjoyed Neil's output since the 70's.I have every offially produced album, tape, CD and DVD. Maybe there are a few gaps I could fill, but will it justify the cost? It's just nice to listen to my collection,purchase and enjoy Neils new output,and attend Neils concerts when he's in the UK (looking forward to Hyde Park). But what the heck we can all do what we like, and enjoy Neil in any way we like.
Fantastic Neil!
I did go to sleep yesterday with some confusion about the anon-archives guy posts. What a good way to wake up this sunday. Thanks for the good news. Great tracklist. Super cool that everybody can order the product the way it fits for his or her wishes. And nobody is complaining about the price anymore! Very reasonable. Thanks for that. Can't wait for the Blu-Ray.
The first week of June 2009! I am going to tell my clients tomorrow I won't be available for that week.
Frome June 2 to June 5 I am going through the Archives and enjoy the Volume 1 show! On June 6 I am going to see Neil at Antwerp and the next day June 7 in Rotterdam. What a hell of a Neiling-week to look forward to!
Thanks Archives Guy for the updates and answers.
Because Sound Matters
Yes, I also want to say thank you, Archives Guy, for answering my Code 1 - question.
Also, I was really puzzled, because I couldn't find Neils Message anymore and was wondering, if I only had dreamt it...
I was one of the more passionate whiners about the lack of a digital download for buyers of the bluray version. Since dvd can be ripped and bluray cannot I felt we were actually being punished for buying the "cadillac" version. Nice to see people were listening, so kudos to Archives Guy and the archives team.
Now though, back to the questions and whining...
Any chance of optionally making the digital download available in flac or some other lossless format? Better yet, hi res flacs? I know flac can support at least 24-96.
If we must stick with mp3s, can we at least ensure that theY are high quality (ie v0 or cbr320)?
Don't get me wrong, I fully intend to experience the archives in their full glory in my living room, but realistically most of my listening is going to happen on the road or at my computer. So I want those files to be as close to the real thing as possible. Also, I see it as a "contingency plan" for when/if the bluray format dies.
Thanks,
Nate42
Per the comment above; If you are ?ing ripping the audio from the Blu-ray discs? As of now, there are very few, programs out there that can rip the audio/picture from Blu-ray discs. My best suggestion, do what I'm doing, Buy the Blu-ray for home pleasure, and HDCD version for mobile pleasure. Especially since the final product (once compressed down to 44.1khz 16 bit) that most audio rippers out there finalize to is less quality than the final mastered product on HDCD that Reprise is offering. The HDCD version will sound much better than any ripped Blu-ray/DVD version. Leave it up to John Nowland and Tim Mulligan, these guys have been transferring/mastering Neil's records for decades.
I've been waiting for... This???
I've pretty much got it all aside from some unreleased versions of the same old songs.
That was a bullshit wait if I've ever seen one. I'd rather have ABD!!!
Oh yeah. I also cancelled my pre-order.
Does anybody know if there is a video streaming of the SXSW Archives panel available somewhere in the web?
Davide
Great news if the date is true!
It really pleases me that Neil & the Archives team, listened to the fan concerns, thanks!
Archives Guy, at one time you proposed a site link to BR players tested with outcomes. I never saw the web page(s). Will this be posted as I dither on a player purchase?
And as Jim DeRogatis published in the Chicago Sun Times, it would be fantastic to see other artists 'Archives'. Add Bowie to the sell!
Chicago
Is any of this going to be released on vinyl records? If so what will It not include?
Thanks,Rusted dream
june 2, 2009
hahahahaha!!!
suuuuuuure it is!
looking forward to the next release date announcement
Re: ".. the release date won't be delayed again. the set is ready now...whereas it wasn't before."
Thanks, AG. That's the most definitive statement I've heard. And we're going to hold you to it!
Can we assume stuff like "Big Waves" is a hidden track, or the Springfield Market Hall shows (with the best recordings certainly matching the fidelity of 'Sultan') might materialize? You know, most people on this forum are interested in the officially unrelased stuff. (I suspect you're going to ignore this inquiry). It will be good to hear the rarities like 'War Song" though too in spectrally dimensional sonics.
Setting the alarm clock for June 2Clancy
Hey Hey...For what its worth...Wheres the "previously unreleased acoustic version of "Boxcar", I know Neil cant include everything..but I would have loved to have had this one included
Lee
Clancy and Sugar Mountain from Disk2 are listed as unreleased. But aren't these the takes released on the Canterbury House disk?
Here's a question... If this is supposed to include everything Neil has ever recorded (which it clearly doesn't) or at least a version of every song from all the albums of the era... Where are the following? Hidden tracks?
S/T
-Emperor of Wyoming
-If I could have her tonight
-String quartet for whiskey boot hill
EKTIN
-The Losing End
Harvest
-Out on the Weekend (which is completely inexcusable!)
Question AG:
If I buy the cd version, disc 0 and 1 are on the same disc.. but on dvd they are separated into two?
Take this Beatles fans!
Neil will show the Liverpool Lads how an anthology is done.
Rock on Neil!
So different pressings of After The Goldrush?
I've never heard about that? Is that a mono /steroe thing?
Or are they different mixes or cuts?
Q-dude.
Hello. Thanks, AG, for the info. Turns out that June 2 is the day after my birthday. :) It's a slightly belated but very cool gift.
Now then, I wanted to comment on a couple of things.
-The MP3 DLs with the BR edition is pretty cool. I still plan on ripping the audio - yes, you can rip BRs and BD-Live content, no, this isn't the "analog hole," and no, I'm not sharing or telling anybody how to do it - but it'll be nice to have portable tunes with needing hours and hours to rip and transcode multiple times.
-I don't understand why some of you are worried about BR sinking. Believe it or not, it has actually done better than DVD did when starting out, and that's with a competitor (HD-DVD) that had to be killed off in the beginning! Having tracked DVD since the beginning and remembering just how expensive and exotic it was in the beginning, I can assure you that BR isn't going anywhere. Besides, what's Neil supposed to do? Wait for some omnipotent being to deliver a format that will last hundreds of years? As long as software exists to play BR content, the Archives will be accessible, even after the physical drives are long gone.
Later.
Archives Guy:
Thanks for all the answers. I really hope 6/2 is it. I don't think I can take too many more false starts. As long as it's in the next year sometime.
I want to preorder on your site but not if it charges my credit card right away. Amazon doesn't charge on preorders until it ships.
has anyone who pre-ordered checked their card yet?
Just don't want my card holding a couple of hundred bucks for months since I'm thinking of going for BD & CD sets.
Thanks AG!
Thanks Archives guy for your help. Two questions: The blu-ray version of FITR is going to have a Mp3 free download? Why is not released at the same time as the other versions?
Thanks again
Funny how Neil releases Cough up bucks vid right before Archives announcement.
talk about balls, Neil.
Here's goes nothing.
Needing a bailout. wish it was for me.
Firehall Queen
It's unreal that the label folks listened to our suggestions. Do you supoose if they'd gotten people on rust involved a long time ago we would have seen this released sooner?
This might not be the place for this but does anyone know if Blue-Ray players support the playback of the DVD-Audio discs that have been used for the Performance Series releases? I've looked at the specs of some Blue-Ray players and can't see that they support the format.
To anonymous above:
The current performance series dvds aren't actually in the dvd audio format. They are dvd video disks with 24-96 LPCM (uncompressed linear PCM) audio. Blu-rays should play them, as should a normal dvd-video player (although not all support the full 24-96 resolution).
Nate42
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I don't know if we know that WBR really had an interest in listening to fans, but certainly Archives Guy and his boss were very generous in providing us all sorts of minute details and listening to our questions and concerns. That was very cool. Thanks, guys!
When all is said and done, NYA may not sync up perfectly with anyone's vision of what it should be. For example, anyone spending $100-300 on a box set of Neil Young's work in the late '60s and early '70s will probably be surprised that the first song on Side A of Harvest, for example, is missing. That is definitely not a data storage issue.
Maybe Neil is looking at this in a very, very, very long-term fashion (it is his life's work, after all) and wants to set up a structure in which his back catalog (including re-issues of the original albums on CD/Blu-Ray) sustains the kind of selling power that it's had all this time, for the benefit of the organizations that he chooses to give money to. After all, it won't be long before Archives Vol. 1 is just a little box that you can buy used for $50.
Either that, or WBR are just being a-holes. :)
Either way, life goes on and will be more fun with Archives Vol. 1 on our shelves!
Thank you Nate42 for your response re. dvd compatibility. This place is all the better for the technical info offered by people like yourself. I'm just trying to make sure all bases are covered for my Archives (and blu-ray) purchase.
Question: if one buys individual discs (either BR or DVD) in order to bypass Fillmore/Massey releases, does on still get the box-holder and book?
Terrific news!
To answer ? above, If you purchase the discs individually you will not get the book or the box? U would also have to buy the book separate.
Even though I already have both the SE's of Fillmore East And Massey Hall, I'm buying the complete sets of both the HDCD and Blu-ray versions plus an extra poster to hang up in my den/computer room. The sets are the best deal.
Looking forward to FITR and Toast in Blu-ray, hopefully HDCD/Blu-ray special editions.
Why do Neil fans seem to be the most intolerant?
So some say they won't buy the Archives. It's their right.
So some feel that buying 61 previously released versions is a rip-off. Again, it's their right.
The way some act, you'd think a 'Sieg Heil Neil' would be the next logical step.
I'm planning on buying the cd and dvd versions. If some don't do the exact same thing, that's up to them.
Archives Guy, I gotta ?;
Will the upcoming Fork In The Road Blu-ray release come in a HDCD/Blu-ray 2 disc set? Is Toast looking good for that format edition too? Thanks
PS; Bloggers; I've been listening to a advance copy of Booker T Jones's new album, Potato Hole, and it is great. A great summer driving record. Neil's guitar sounds real good, as does the DBT's.
I'm traveling today so my comments are
limited by my patience with iPhone text enter...
Some random replies:
The mp3 download card comes with
BD and DVD. I'll find out the compression for you.
It won't be FLAC.
Doonerak- you bring up a good point about the 2 Canterbury tunes now being released. Text and graphic
were finished before the Camterbury release so we are going to find a number of details to be corrected on the preorder site. Such updates and other revisions that didn't make the book deadline will be provided as an errata sheet on the web which can be printed out and kept in the archives book for reference. I'm sure than you can understand that with the enourmous amount of content spread out over a number of formats, a few details might get glazed over.
BE player will be coming but of you go back thru Thrashers you can find discussion and info from me. In short you want a profile 2.0 player with Internet connectivity.
Quality differences between BD and DVD are explained on the preorder site.
Once again hidden tracks are hidden tracks. Asking what they are is liking asking your parents what the contents of your Xmas packages are in November.
Early Years is dvided into 2 discs on BD and DVD because of content size. It takes dual layer discs to fit it all. Conversely the audio as 16/44 can fit on one CD..clocking in at 79 minutes.
I'll get the preorder page updated this week.
More later
-Archives Guy
Hello, have just ordered the Blu-ray edition, and it excepted my UK address, so.... fingers crossed!
one question tho... what happens if its delayed again?!?!
Wow! Great news!
Get a UK pre-sale going and you've got yourself a deal!
:-)
Davie from Scotland
As soon as there is a UK price confirmed, I'll order the Blu-Ray edition. Thanks for all the help, Archive Guy and Neil.
Hello, have just ordered the Blu-ray edition, and it excepted my UK address, so.... fingers crossed!
one question tho... what happens if its delayed again?!?!
well since i posted this two things have happened
1) first email from warner music saying that my billing address does not match with my card address... it does!
2) a second email which states all is well, order has gone through and archives will be with me on the 2nd june!
so please someone tell me has it gone through or not?
Good old Neil... why can't it just be simple?
will keep you all informed
stephen, scarborough UK.
Stephen, I had the same thing happen to me. I responsed to the first email but have had no response to that yet.
Percy
I'm thinking about a DVD/CD combo. Any chance on package discounts?
really want to see the video stuff but also have something for car to.
Auggie
I also had the address problem.
Nick UK
In Neil's letter, he says that since production of the Archives Vol 1, they had found in Amsterdam some live recordings. Can't wait for whatever that might be?
I fell into a dream
Hey Archives Guy, can you please find out whats happened to our UK orders?
cheers
stephen, scarborough uk
What's the story on the re-release of the studio albums : Neil Young, EKTIN, Goldrush, & Harvest
Weren't they tied to the Archives Vol 1 release?
The archives are a disappointment...sorry everyone. There are two models that work very well for this type of thing: that followed by Miles Davis/Columbia with the comprehensive release of material (released and unreleased) in chronological order and that followed by Bob Dylan in which ONLY unreleased (or at least not mainstream released) is put out as an archive.
Releasing a chronological set that includes some, but not all, of the album material released during that time, sprinkled with unreleased material seems completely ridiculous. Cough up the buck$ indeed.
I'll take the single disc of unreleased material, please. Somehow, that doesn't seem to be an option. But at least I can duplicate (some of) my LP and CD collection again...except for those inexplicably omitted previously released tunes. I don't get it, to be honest.
Charlie
How could the myth not have grown to exceed the reality? After 20 years percolating, the Archives could never possibly have grown to match the MYTH....
LRR
Jeez ,Sugar mountain CD, Massey Hall Cd, Best of CD ,Decade etc....
Other than 'squires stuff' and some 'buffalo springfield' with the 20 other albums I've got..Dr drips 'Archives' are lookin pretty good indeed !
Long may you rerun.
I WANT TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone know if there is a recording of Big Waves or Letter From Nam? Those were 2 I was really looking forward to. I'm also a little bummed that the Crazy Horse version of Look At All The Things from the '69 Sunset Sound sessions isn't included.
Chris M
I was hoping for Look At All the Things as well. It could be one of the hidden tracks, but I'm not holding out much hope.
Great news. Let get volume 1 out and about and see what extra downloads become available as part of this experience and then focus on little updates and Vol 2.
For the some Neil crazy rusties (me) there may be some dissapointment (not me) that this, that and the other is missing, repeated etc etc.
Surely one can see that not everyones requests can be fulfilled. Its project management 101 - the 80/20 rule - 80% of a project can generally be delived for 20% of the cost.
They have done adjustments for us. Thanks to the team and AG.
I'd pay $100 for the book alone.
I think I'll go the full set and give away my previous Massey Hall and Fillmore disks. They were teasers anyway ! If they were excluded fans & fanatics would still pay $300US for the set.
Can I ask Archives Guy if he could advise what a typical download size might be for say a new 5 minute Blu-Ray Video/Audio track and a 5 minute audio only track?
And the method ? As a single peer to peer download of say one gig might be a good number of hours (at least need restart capability).
Or will there be some neat bit-torrent type approach ?
And ... any chance of a teaser for say 1956 Bubblegum disaster !
Gary
and I fell into a dream
(I note someone else is signing off as I fell into a dream - that's not me)
pinky brown here...ummm this cant be true that OUT ON THE WEEKEND..EMPORER OF WYOMING.ON THE WAY HOME(BUFF.SPRING.).WHISKEY BOOT HILL AND THE LOSING END ETC are not included???thats just plain insane..and very very irratating.
First off, HOORAY FOR THE ARCHIVES!!...
Second, I'd like to second Gary's question about download size. Any idea what the max might be for a single BD-Live Archives Download? I don't want to buy a memory stick for my Sony Blu-ray player only to find out it's too small!...
Joe In T.O.
Charles, I agree with you - do not see why we have to buy all that stuff in order to listen to some 'unreleased version' of well known songs!
We just want the unreleased material!!
The problem is that we all want different things, and we are all complaining. I'm a little bit fed up now. Thrasher, maybe you could make a "Whiner's thread" where all the whiners can post their repeating complaints. Then the rest of us can get a break. Please.
I'm so tired
You dont have to buy anything .... you can choose to buy none of it if you like. Every person expects something different, and guess what we wont all get what we want because it is not our life's work. Im sure some of you guys would still find something to complain about if Neil included Lincvolt as well as mp3 download , preview disc, rare 45 single,option to buy indvidual discs, highest fidelity audio and video,access to downloads on bd live for eternity.
I live in Brazil and I'll be going to the U.S. in June for my honeymoon, I'll most definitely get the Archives there!
Just one technical question. When I play my Massey Hall and Canterbury DVDs on my computer, the concert part is pure noise (a hissing sound), but when I play on my DVD player & TV, it sounds fine.
I assume this has something to do with my soundcard (a Soundblaster Audigy SE, if I'm not mistaken). Since I listen to music primarily on my computer, do I have to configure the soundcard properly, or replace it in order to play these DVDs and the Archives? If I have to replace it, for what kind of soundcard?
Thanks in advance!
Well I am certainly coughing up the Bucks or Pounds.
Have ordered Blu ray disc set,
Tickets for Nottingham arrived today,
All ready have tickets for Dublin ,
Hotel booked for Nottingham,
Flights and hotel booked for Dublin,
FITR pre ordered,
Now to buy a Blu ray player.
and I thought last year was an expensive Neil Year,Manchester,Cork and Hop farm.
Cough up the Pounds,Roll on June!
Same story over here! I was was thinking about it.
Those complaining about partial albums consider this -- one of the great aspects of the BD format is that anything and everything can be filled in later ... the inital investment in the hardware and the archives is a ticket to future DOWNLOADS ... the Archives team has shown amazing responsiveness by listening to fans, despite some nasty posters, and creating a plethora of great choices and options, including mp3 downloads for free for those who buy the better packages. But, forearmed is forewarned - buy the BD if you can, it seems like the key portal for the future ... from here forward it would seem that we might not have to wait 20 years for Archives 2, perhaps it will/can be released in sections on BD ... finally, the diversity of options truly should stop virtually every complainer in their tracks ... allowing everyone to buy/not buy what they choose ... w/ this release Neil's putting out the vast majority of his life's work, giving people the option to enjoy much of it in the highest quality, most technically rich format ever put out ... Neil as only Neil can do has taken the project to the edge of what's possible. Hopefully, with the format and technology in place he and his team will be able to push out the rest of the 70s material in short order... naysayers be dambded its a great time to be a Neil Young fan!
Thanks Archive Guy, Thrasher and all those who have contributed!
I'd just like to re-iterate my request for "specs" for the DVD and BR versions. I can accept that Easter Eggs can stay hidden. But content, such as film, video, audio found through the normal course of brousing the obvious menus and timelines should be specified in some way.
Maybe a nice way of doing this would be to list "Bonus Content" for each DVD/BD on the tracklistings. If not in detail (perferred) than at least some vague qualification or quantification.
I think this is essential to differentiate the DVD product from thye CD product. There is a lot of misunderstansing brewing on the rust list.
LRR
Well I am certainly coughing up the Bucks or Pounds.
Have ordered Blu ray disc set,
Tickets for Nottingham arrived today,
All ready have tickets for Dublin ,
Hotel booked for Nottingham,
Flights and hotel booked for Dublin,
FITR pre ordered,
Now to buy a Blu ray player.(Now ordered off Amazon)profile 2 of course!
Running out of Bucks
I'm looking forward to my Blu-ray copy of Archives Vol 1. Looks like this really will happen. Thanks AG for all of the information and for being so responsive. It's pretty obvious that the discussions here on Thrashers Wheat have been constructive for all involved.
Can I make one suggestion - maybe it would be useful to collect all of this info you have provided and put it in a FAQ on neilyoung.com somewhere
I think you will be dogged by the same questions on regions, billing, availability (web vs retail), packaging, books vs booklets and the difference between hidden tracks, mp3 downloads and BD Live downloads until June 2nd.
It's $20 cheaper to order each disk separately, which you can on neilyoung.com, if you're willing to forgo the storage box, book and poster.
Don't want the two disks that have already been released on CD/DVD and all the sudden it's down to $222.
i'm assuming the discs will be housed in those shitty slipcases like the archives discs that are currently available. a real nice way to package something that costs a bundle. in a garbage cardboard disc chewer.
i can understand not wanting to use plastic but the archives crew should take a lesson from what the japanese companies do with mini-lp's. house the disc in an insert that protects it from the rough packaging.
Re AG comment: "... hidden tracks are hidden tracks. Asking what they are is liking asking your parents what the contents of your Xmas packages are in November."
FYI, we kinda told or tactfully hinted to our parents what we wanted for Xmas (which on occasional could include Neil young albums). That worked out great for all parties concerned. Less a matter of surprise than pragmatic understanding. Not complaining, just saying people are taking a bit of a leap of faith here.... Clancy
......and my parent's never asked me to foot the bill for my own presents.
Hey folks... I just put up an article about this whole Archives issue. Sorry whiners, I call you out. No one by name though.
http://www.examiner.com/x-5020-LA-Music-Shopping-Examiner~y2009m3d23-Neil-Young-Archives-Vol-1-finally-has-a-release-date-and-folks-are-still-furious
I'm disappointed by the omission of some album tracks. Neil has been saying for YEARS that the Archives would collect everything available in one place.
To Archives Guy if he returns to this page:
I want to reiterate what another poster said about the packaging. I'm not sure how the discs will be packaged, but if they're going to be in cardboard slipcases (I'd prefer if they weren't, but if they are) the discs should at least be in light plastic sleeves like those used for Japanese mini-LP CDs. This would help protect this rather pricey set during shipping and future use.
Also, since Neil's studio albums from this period are presented almost in their entirety, it would be nice if the remaining songs from the albums could be made available through BD live. That way people who buy the BluRay set could listen to the remastered albums in their entirety, which would be a nice bonus, and it seems doable since there's only a handful of songs from the first four albums not on the set.
Thanks for your help.
I am extremely dissapointed about the COLOR of the package. I have been waiting sooo many years, and then I see the color. I will NOT buy it!
Car
I'm considering my purchace of a player. Who would recommend the PS3 player or is is there something better I should consider?
ON. Canada
I'm extremely angry because of TEN discs. I could have accepted nine, or even eleven, but TEN! I have cancelled my preorder, and will NOT listen to this crap! TEN discs! Why couldn't he make it nine or eleven! It really sucks!
Vehicle
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In the words of Homer Simpson...WWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!One BD Archives vol.1 for me please.And bring on the BD version of FITR as well.I'm sorry but I still won't truly believe that the Archives are out until it's in my hot greedy hands.I know I stink.But can you blame me?I've got my eyes closed while writing this saying "I believe."I believe." ;)
The Mugwump
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It's still odd that it's cheaper to buy the BDs individually rather than the whole set if you're willing to forgo the book, storage box and poster. Not to mention you wouldn't have to double-dip on the previously released on CD/DVD albums which brings the cost down to about $225.
Hopefully the price for the whole set on Amazon.com will make this a moot point though. The last time they had this up for offer it was 25% off MSRP. Which would be about the same price but with all the disks, book and poster.
I really HATE this. June 2nd. Hah! I WANT THIS MAY 29TH! I could even wait until June 5th. But after all this years - June 2nd! I will definitely not buy this before June 5th. True - June 2nd sucks.
Wagon
lol @ car, wagon, and vehicle
Does anyone know if the Sony BDPS350 Blu-ray Disc Player($273 at Amazon) will play the Archives? It says it's BD-Live Ready. Also do you need an HDTV to play the Archives?
Tim, yes the BDPS350 will work for what you're looking to do b/c in addition to HDMI and component connections for HD-tvs and receivers; it has composite video and audio ouputs which work on non-HD tvs.
As for BD-Live, yes it has it, but like most blu-ray live players, you have to plug an ethernet cable directly into the machine.
@Tim,
Just read this on cnet though regarding BD-Live. You'll have to buy external memory to use it:
http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/sony-bdp-s350/4505-6463_7-32868775.html?tag=mncol;lst
"One major design flaw is the deeply recessed USB port--used for BD-Live compatibility--on the rear of the unit. Our first problem is that it's located on the rear of the unit in the first place, as that can be a pain to get to in many home theater cabinets and you may not want to dedicate a USB memory stick solely to the BDP-S350. Secondly, because of how deep the USB cavity is, many types of USB memory sticks won't fit--you'll need a long slim one to fit properly. The deep recess means you won't have a USB stick protruding too far from the back of your player, but since the player is already quite shallow and there will already be cables connected to the back, we can't see it being much of an advantage."
Bottom Line; The two best options for playback of the Blu-ray edition are;
-Playstation 3
(It already comes with a hard drive, either 80 or 160 gigs, it has a Wi-Fi Finder, for wireless internet, not to mention a Internet browser with flash enabled technology. Which IPhone is lacking, cough. So I can be surfing NY.com and watching his latest Flash video for Cough Up The Bucks on my Plasma tv with the PS3. And you get a great video game system, for NHL 09 or MLB The Show 09. I recommend it, Though you need a HDMI connection with a HDMI capable receiver for the best sound)
-Blu-Ray Drive For Computer
(First and foremost, you wanna make sure your PC/Mac can handle Blu-ray playback, you need a good HD video card, suitable memory, and a recent processer. Also; if your looking for 124khz 24 bit sound, you need to buy a advanced soundcard.)
I recommend the PS3, its a great multi-task device, your family all can use it one way or the other.
It seems, Blu-ray is the future of music, I'm thankful for Neil, LA, Elliot and company pushing music in that direction. For years, b4 DVD, people complained about the quality of VHS/Standard TV, now we have HDTV, Blu-ray which out performs DVD by quality and storage by a huge gap. DVD soundtracks (DD,DTS) other than LPCM are lossy, which means the sound from the original master is compressed to fit storage on disc, Blu-ray discs which now for movies/concerts and music offer now DD True HD/DTS HD, and LPCM, they are all lossless audio formats which means, they have the same quality as the original studio master. If you compare a movie, first on DVD, then that same title on Blu-ray, the Blu-ray version will have the best resolution and better audio fidelity. Think about it; DVD has 480 lines of resolution, Blu-ray, 1080 lines.
Blu-ray will be around for a long time, and Mr Young will be releasing his new releases in Blu-ray; like Fork In The Road and the upcoming Toast. Imagine watching Neil recording FITR in pure HD on your big screen, and listening at the same time with the 192khz 24 Bit stereo track pounding through your speakers. Blu-ray is the only format that can allow you to experience both HD Video and HD audio at the same time.
Start thinking about Volume 2 in Blu-ray; I'm sure they'll throw in Time Fades Away, and other unrealized albums. Since this will be the span of non-stop Neil recording. And Rust Never Sleeps, maybe Human Higway, in HD Video, and HD sound? Think about it, We need A HD transfer for RNS, since the DVD transfer is not that great.
Think about it; Go Blu-ray;
Its worth every penny!
I have ordered this player seems to have a good write up.
Panasonic DMP-BD35EB-K Profile 2 Blu-ray Disc Player with BD Live.
Also looking at buying a PS3 for the kids.
The book is worth more than $20 ... it will sell on EBAY for at least $30 I bet...
The book is worth more than $20 ... it will sell on EBAY for at least $30 I bet...
I do remember Neil saying the archives might be a limited edition if this is the case they be priceless!
Is something Amiss in the math?
Per AG, there will be a total of 128 tracks of which 12 are hidden. We were given the listing of the 116 non-hidden tracks.
Breakdown of 116 tracks vs total breakdown as told previously by AG:
Released 63 of 70 total.
Limited Release 10 of 10 total.
Unrel Alt version: 24 of 24 total.
Unreleased song: 15 of 15 total.
unreleased mix: 4 of 8 total.
unrel montage: 0 of 1 total.
Per this math, the 12 hidden tracks comprise of the remainders, which are:
7 released tracks
4 unreleased mix
1 unreleased montage.
I suspect the Montage may be live springfield track called: "This Is It!" per Uncut Mag. So are the remaining 11 as vanilla as we may expect? Released tunes or unreleased mixes of released tunes? I'd like to think one of the unreleased mixes may be the all-vocal mix on "expecting to fly". But I'm beginning to lose faith in the interestingness of the hidden tracks.
Unless the math is all wrong and Archives Guy's breakdown was wrong. Uncut Magazine lists a CSNY Live Take of "I've Loved Her So Long". This would therefore be a hidden track and would imply that the sum total of ALT VERSIONS is greater than 25.
Comments, Archives Guy? Or Anyone Else?
Archives Guy I have one major question about this et. does it include the unreleased album Neil made with Crazy Horse that he claimed was going to be on the Archives way back in a interview like in the 90s? im hoping those are the hidden tracks. one of the main reason I have been waiting for this set and volume 2 was to finally hear those legendary unreleased albums. now im thinking that maybe we wont even get to hear Homegrown or the original Tonights The Night. does this concern anyone else but me? I mean thats the real reason most of this want this set isnt it?
Archives Guy I have one major question about this set. does it include the unreleased album Neil made with Crazy Horse that he claimed was going to be on the Archives way back in a interview like in the 90s? im hoping those are the hidden tracks. one of the main reasons I have been waiting for this set and volume 2 was to finally hear those legendary unreleased albums. now im thinking that maybe we wont even get to hear Homegrown or the original Tonights The Night. does this concern anyone else but me? I mean thats the real reason most of us want this set isnt it?
I have a question about the additional contents download. Does that mean I need a Blu-ray player with storage capabilities? Or will it be downloaded again each time I access it?
Thanks for the info
Minne
Hi everyone,
I'm really excited the archives are coming out. I have a question...
Do Massey Hall and Fillmore East come with the video and photos if I buy the blu-ray version? If anyone knows, I'd appreciate the response. Thank you!
Steel Madsen
Hi Archives Guy. I know the DVD and BD releases will be region-free, but do you know whether we will be able to order them from outlets in the UK (i.e. Amazon.co.uk)? If we order from the Neil Young website in the US, we will have to pay loads of tax, and a fee to Royal Mail for paying the tax on our behalf when the item comes into the country.
Really need an amazon.co.uk listing for UK buyers to bypass tax punishment as poster above highlighted. Great work on the set but now need European Amazon coverage guys... please
As per Anonymous above, I was wondering the same thing - I just bought the Ten box set from pearljam.com and ended up paying £65 more than it would have cost to buy on amazon or play.com. Presumably there will be a UK release?
well i'm in the UK and ordered straight off the website, excepted my card and everything. then i get an email from warners saying there's a problem with my card and and card holders address.
then a second email saying it all gone through and will be with me on 2nd june...
its now happened to a few of us in the uk, and when we have contacted warners we've had no reply..
so not sure if i'm getting it or not now!!
anyone else having the same problem?
stephen, scarborough UK
In reply to a few questions-
1- UK and other countries can place their orders thru neilyoung.com
Details on shipping charges, as well as contact info for customer service questions can be found here:
http://warnerbrosrecordsstore.com/store/st.handler.asp?sslist=%27WBR%27&doc_type=CSP&l=NEILY
2- Credit cards are charged at the time of ordering. Details in regard to this can again be found on the Customer Service Page listed above.
3- no info at this time about Amazon UK
4- Steel: yes, Fillmore and Massey have all the videos, photos, etc on them in the BD version.
5- unreleased Crazy Horse album? Not from the time period of Volume 1 (1963-72). This would be later on.....
6- Jonathan Criswell: thanks for the tech facts.
7- Mark: you don't need to access the bak of your player constantly with a USB drive....the players have a built in hard drive. This is where your BD-Live downloads are stored. Once you have them....you have them. BD-Live files can't be transferred to other devices such a your computer, not directly be burned to a disc.
8- Sony BDPS350 Blu-ray Disc is compatible and a good player. Once again, look for a Profile 2.0 BD player with internet port. As with most consumer electronic players, don't buy the cheapest thing that you can find or an off brand. Cheap and unknown brands usually lead to disappointment.
I'm sure that many of you have learned this lesson at least two or three times. (I have) :-)
That's all for now.
-Archives Guy
Thanks as always for the info, Archives Guy. I do have one question which may be jumping the gun a bit but it's something that is guaranteed to come up later. Since BD-Live downloads are stored on the player itself, what happens should that player give up the ghost? Will everything be re-downloadable until the end of time?...
Joe In T.O.
Thanks Archives guy for your help. Two questions: The blu-ray version of FITR is going to have a Mp3 free download? Why is not released at the same time as the other versions?
Thanks again
I am surprised... after all this time, where are the legendary Mynah Birds sessions recorded for Motown Records in Feb 1966 with Rick James and Bruce Palmer? These recordings feature Young on lead guitar and back-up vocals. I know because I have four of them. It's My Time and Go On and Cry are available on a Motown box set, and I'll Wait Forever and I've Got You In My Soul are also floating around. They all rock. I heard years ago that Neil licensed seven tracks from these sessions! Why aren't they here? The extended KFWB version of Bluebird that was left off the Springfield Box and has never been issued on CD would have been pretty nice too. Oh well
Eddie from Toronto
in reply to:
Joe from T.O. If your player dies, just download again from your new player. The downloads won't expire/ become no longer available.
In a similar manner, if you choose to delete any downloads via the NYA BD-Live Download Manager, you can go back and grab them again.
Eddie from Toronto: Ponder for a minute the possibilities of BD-Live and I think you will be able to answer your own question.
FITR question- BD version is being released later than CD/DVD because it is still in production. Look for more special features on BD plus 24/192 audio.
The main video program for the disc will be a full length performance piece and NOT one of our screensaver/wallpaper releases.
At this time, there are no plans for a free mp3 download of this release. I'm not saying it won't happen, just not in the plans right now....so hold off on the whining(those of you who are so inclined)
FITR on BD is shaping up to be pretty cool, if I do say so myself.
-Archives Guy
Hi Archives Guy.
first off thanks for answering my question about the unreleased crazy horse album. you said not from this period on volume one yet Neil claimed there was one. heres the interview:
"You recorded another album with Crazy Horse in '69 straight after Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, that also had Jack Nitzsche on piano. It was apparently a sort of country-rock affair and most of the tracks were recorded live. Then you scrapped it all of a sudden and put out Goldrush instead. Why?
"Well, it wasn't really scrapped... It exists... See, things were moving very quickly at that time so it's hard to say... exactly why I went for Goldrush instead of that project. I just remember thinking that Goldrush was the next logical step after Everybody. Just after I'd begun playing with CSN&Y, I went out on the road and did some really funky things that indicated that our next album would be in that particular vein. We recorded 'Wonderin'', 'Dance, Dance, Dance', 'It Might have Been', 'Winterlong' and several others. They'll appear on the Archives, I've had them transferred to digital."
"Another song from that period [when I was growing up] that I loved, and also ended up doing a version of with Crazy Horse and Jack Nitzsche on piano, that's going to end up on Archives — it's a country waltz called 'It Might Have Been' recorded by Jo London. It was a big hit in Canada though it didn't mean anything in the States. Great record. Real, real soulful rendition. Unfortunately on my version, I screwed up almost all the words..."
is this stuff on volume one? its one of my main concerns over buying the archives. has Neil decided not to include some unreleased albums? Im not trying to grill you or judge Neil I just want to know for my own investment purchase. if you could repsond to this id be totally grateful. thanks!
Thanks For All The Info, Archives Guy!
I'm excited for all of upcoming Blu-ray releases.
?, Will Reprise also be releasing remastered HDCD versions of his records that correspond to years for this set of the Archives volumes? ie; Neil Young, EKTIN,After The Goldrush, Harvest? The original cd pressings have needed to be replaced with remastered ones since they're original release in 1990.
More on this "unreleased Crazy Horse album"...NYA V1 period.
Yes, these are some songs recorded during the ATGR sessions, but there is not some whole other unreleased album packed with songs you have never heard before.
Take a look at the track listing and some of your answers will be pleasantly found.
Jonathan - the remastering has been done on all this material. Those tracks that are included in Volume 1 are all remasters. (that is one of the cool things about the Archives versions of the previously released songs.)
Release dates have not been set for either HDCD CD and fresh vinyl with these remasters...but work has been done for both formats.
I agree that the world needs to have better CD versions of these important albums. What has been out there all these years isn't the best that it could be.
-Archives Guy
NYA Q&A is now here.
Different subject, I have recently purchased a copy of Time Fades Away £75,sound quality very good, it was sold as a demo CD,Bought of amazon UK, any thoughts?
With yet more complaints on this thread, it's time yet again to thank Archives Guy for tirelessly (and patiently) handling all those questions and requests. You did a great job, man. A really great job.
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