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Tuesday, July 21, 2015

Game Over on GMO Debate According to Neil Young

MASSIVE NEWS!!!This is the ONLY relevant study that unequivocally proves that the Genetic Modification, ITSELF,...

Posted by Neil Young on Saturday, July 18, 2015

Neil Young continues his quest to speak truth to power.

According to a post on his official Facebook page, GMO's cause cancer:

This is the ONLY relevant study that unequivocally proves that the Genetic Modification, ITSELF, independent of Roundup, shocks the poor plant, which then goes into oxidative stress and depletes Glutathione, the most important anti-oxidant, and accumulates formaldehyde, a cancer causing chemical. This shows that a GMO is not "substantially equivalent" to the non-GMO.

Study -

Of course, the pro-Monsanto shills are jumping all over Neil for citing a less prestigious scientific journal. This is a common tactic when one can't counter the argument factually, you attack the messenger.

Or construct the false equivalency strawman argument to attack.

Obviously, Monsanto is very concerned about Neil Young's new album The Monsanto Years and the tour bringing awareness to a larger audience so they have their trolls hard at work. So we'll just add this...

The aimless blade of science cuts both ways. Science can only be as accurate and correct as the underlying observations and facts. Bad data equals bad science and vice versa.

And just remember this about science.

Science once said that cigarettes do not cause lung cancer.
Science once said that low level radiation is harmless.
Science once said that the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth.

As one comment states:
"Science is a continuous, evolving process, in which there are, in actuality, no "truths," merely the closest approximations to the truth available *at that time.*"
So Neil Young has slashed the pearly gates once more as he continues to speak truth to power. And so the powers that be (or never were) are less than happy and slashing back.

As always, use discernment. Or as a wise man once said, "Please take my advice, don't listen to me."

Think for Yourself and Question Authority

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At 7/21/2015 11:10:00 AM, Blogger Old Black said...

I hope people understand that for corn, there are two main GMOs: Roundup-Ready traits (i.e. resistant to multiple Roundup applications) and bt corn - which provides resistance to European corn bore but more importantly, to corn rootworm. Bacillus thuringiensis (bt) is naturally occurring soil bacterium that generates a protein and is poisonous to certain insect pests. It is widely used in organic gardening. GMO bt corn includes bt injected into the seed. While a lot is made of roundup-resistant corn, the really important issue is not herbicide resistance, it is resistance to corn rootworm. Corn rootworm is the multi-billion dollar pest. There are two main corn rootworm species: northern corn rootworm and western corn rootworm. Unfortunately, we are in the beginnings of significant bt resistance in the corn belt - to both northerns and westerns. What has happened is that rootworms can taste the bt and they move from the corn plant (a grass) to what? Grass. (this is why Monsanto feels it is so important to stack bt corn with roundup-ready corn - because if the weeds are in the field, first instar rootworm will move from bt corn to grass, eat the grass, and then mature - these mature rootworm will have increasing bt resistance because they ate some of the bt and survived. Eventually there will be large populations of bt resistant corn rootworm - game over). We as a society are hugely dependent upon bt corn and when it goes, we are faced going to organphosphate insecticides. Then we will once again be faced with long-lived contaminants in the groundwater system.

I'm not a fan of Monsanto. But we better be clear-eyed about the alternative instead of being against everything because Neil says we should. As an environmental scientist that deals with groundwater contamination in the corn belt, I can say without any dispute that farmers (including family-owned farms) are the largest source of groundwater and surface water pollution. And that's because they plow fence-row to fence-row, apply way to much nitrogen, and do not practice no-till farming. Some do. Organic farmers are great stewards of the land. But all-organic farming is not practical. It's way too labor intensive for feedlot supply.

At 7/21/2015 11:16:00 AM, Blogger thrasher said...

Thank you Old Black for sharing your direct knowledge.

There is a lot to learn for everyone on this whole, complex subject.

everything & everyone is a work in progress...

At 7/21/2015 11:30:00 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Independent investigation of truth is needed. I find this article to be poorly written. Sort of cherry picking the information.

"Science once said that the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth"

I think this is backwards............... the Greeks and others calculated the curvature of the Earth. If I remember my history correctly, it was the church that burned people for disagreeing that the Earth revolved around the Sun.

Science once said that low level radiation is harmless.

We are exposed to low radiation everyday. "Radiation from the Sun, which is more popularly known as sunlight, is a mixture of electromagnetic waves ranging from infrared (IR) to ultraviolet rays (UV). It of course includes visible light, which is in between IR and UV in the electromagnetic spectrum."

In addition, the Earth has backround radiation from radio active decay.

Remember climate change is accepted from the expert in the field to be about 97% in agreement with it being human influenced. Yes, about 3% disagree.

So, throwing out sound bites sounds more political that factual.

I do not know the answer to the GMO problems but each study can show different results depending on what has been modified and where it is done. Information is key in making decisions.

"The simple things you see in life are all complicated"

At 7/21/2015 12:37:00 PM, Blogger TopangaDaze said...

This "debate" causes my head to spin. I really haven't grasped even the most basic
concepts and realize there's much more to the picture than meets the eye.

@ Old Black: Thanks for the information and thoughtful presentation. Neil could learn a few things from you in both science and presentation.

I support Neil and his right to protest whatever he wants to, but to me, he's too naïve and gullible and doesn't seem open to alternative views. (Kind of ironic.) He's too petulant and is attacking this issue (and others) on such simplistic levels that his opinions carry very little weight with me. (We'll get to his "issue" with streaming music another time.)

I mean really, he cites one article and then summarily says "End of Debate". Well, hopefully he means he'll stop posting his thoughts, etc. I've come to terms with the songs and album, but I'll leave the science to the scientists and the music to the musicians. Sometimes the two cross and lead to great music, other times, not.

As Old Black said, "being against everything because Neil says we should be" isn't necessarily a wise move. Big Corp, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Government all have their problems, but on balance they started with well intentioned people and they have brought (and are bringing) amazing things to our lives.

@ Thrash: Glad you pulled out the Neil lyric:

Take my advice
Don't listen to me

It's almost always applicable!!

At 7/21/2015 04:01:00 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I'm not sure I understand the concern for corn, when the only grain humans should be eating is rice and cows should be eating grass.


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