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Monday, May 12, 2008

The Archives Turns Fans Blu


Reaction to the Archives news last week continues to pour in.

As we tried to summarize the various opinions on the announcement, it became quickly evident that a lot of folks had very strong feelings on the matter. Some were outraged at Neil for being "elitist" for releasing The Archives in a format that few could afford or even wanted. Others believed that the Blu-Ray format fell into line with Neil's objectives for the past twenty years and should surprise no one.

And another interesting story line is emerging as well. There are those for whom sound does matter and those whom seem unconcerned about quality.

We've followed a number of different discussion threads across the Net and found a couple that are pretty insightful. Over on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums there have been over 500 comments on the announcement. Since the posters tend to be high-end audiophiles, for most, the developments came as welcome news for the embrace of 24 bit/192kHz high resolution audio.

But even on a forum dedicated to the art of musical recording, there was dis-belief at what some see as a marketing disaster in the making.

More surprisingly though (although not actually), is the apparent wide spread appeal of low quality MP3's. Already many are plotting how to rip the Blu-Ray discs to MP3 for their iPods. There are now well over a hundred posts on Neil Young v the MP3 on Guardian Unlimited like this one by IanShuttleworth:
After a lifetime of blarging, you'd think Neil Young would realise that what determines listener satisfaction is not primarily the quality of the release medium, but the quality of the ears. Luckily, I have cheap ears.

Seriously, the rise of the mp3 has demonstrated that the market isn't format-quality-driven. OK, so we repurchased large swathes of our vinyl collections on CD, a masterstroke of marketing, but how often do you get to pull that one? I mean, how often do you repurchase loads of your paperback books in hard covers and printed on better-finished paper? If you've got it, and it's convenient enough and works for you, that's all she wrote. And what the hell, Young's Blu-Ray rarities will be up on the p2p circuit in a flash.

Clearly, what is happening in the technology format preferences debate is breaking down as a generation gap if you will. And maybe this is all obvious and expected. Older, wealthier Neil fans can make the investment and many have a truer appreciation of quality sound. Younger, less well-to-do fans are not as concerned with quality but put higher value on convenience, portability and price (i.e., free).

Sadly, this type of split troubles us and we're sorry to see arguments much like what we went through last fall with the whole uproar over tour ticket prices. (Which incidentally, after all the wailing and moaning, not a SINGLE person wrote and said that they didn't feel like the ticket was worth it.)

But we digress.

All of which brings us back to: do the ends justify the means? Now this is where it gets interesting. There's a long history of format wars and the question of whether content drives technology or vice versa.

Undoubtedly, The Archives will be a major coup for the Blu-Ray format and creates a win-win for Neil. Or does it?

Long time Neil supporter Paul Cashmere asks on Undercover "Has Neil Young Miscalculated His Fan-Base?
Neil Young is making a massive mistake by limiting his forthcoming Archive collection to Blu-Ray.

For someone who has put his audience first for more than 40 years, Young is risking alienation of epic proportions by placing his fan-base below technology.

Young has totally miscalculated his fan-base for what appears to be a business decision. Sure, the technology for what Young wants to do with this is the best. There is no question about that. The trouble is how many Neil Young fans will ever get to hear it?

So, please, come to your senses. Release the Blu-Ray edition of Archives but also make it available for the other 99% of your audience. It should be on CD, it should be available for downloads and if you REALLY want to emulate the original sound, put it out on vinyl.

It is about the audience, not the technology.

So let's go back to what Neil himself has said before in the Shakey biography by Jimmy McDonough:
"Y'know, I don't give a shit whether anybody BUYS it or not. I just wanna do it. And there may only be two hundred copies, signed by me. But it's gonna fuckin' exist. When it's done, people can do whatever the fuck they want, make any fuckin' order they want out of it. But they're gonna have the whole fuckin' thing to choose from. They're not gonna get part of it. Everything-the good, the bad, the ugly.

So you know the difference. Some of it is good, some of it is crap that wasn't released-there's a reason. Take a look, see what it is. That's what a fuckin' archive is about, not "Here's Neil Young in all his wonderfulness-the great, phenomenal fucking wonderfulness." That's not what I want.

I want people to know how fuckin' terrible I was. How scared I was and how great I was. The real picture-that's what I'm looking for. Not a product. And I think that's what the die-hard fans want - the whole fuckin' thing."

Last week Neil said :
'Ten Blu-ray disks doesn't lend itself to P2P,' he pointed out. 'They [the fans] are going to do that anyway - people are going to copy all this music. We don't have to deal with that. All we're doing is supplying the mother-lode, trying to give them quality whether they want it or not. You can degrade it as far as you want, we just don't want our name on it.'

More than just indifference, Young was downright enthusiastic. 'It's up to the masses to distribute it however they want. The laws don't matter at that point. People sharing music in their bedrooms is the new radio.'

And many fans do in fact appreciate and understand what Neil is trying to do with the Archives on Blu-Ray, such as Chicago's comment:
What people don't seem to grasp is the Archives is not just music, pimped with film and memorabilia.

It's Neil's legacy. It's his autobiography. It's his freaking epitaph. This is what scholars will look at someday when they conduct research on popular music.

People just don't get it--that's why he's so obsessed/paranoid/unrelenting with the quality/sound/visuals.

Nevertheless, it is a daunting investment for many of us. Someone in Neil's camp should point him to the latest unemployment stats. People ARE hurting and some of those people are fans. And, I'm one of them.

In the end, I wouldn't be surprised if Reprise will issue a cd/dvd highlights. And don't forget, they are suppose to be available as dvds--not just Blu-ray.

As an aside, to cynically imply that Neil received 'a strong financial incentive' from Blu-Ray is akin to suggesting the reason he favors Martin or Gibson guitars is due to 'a strong financial incentive'. It's the tool needed to do the job. Period.

As for what we're going to do here at Thrasher's Wheat? Well, we're still in the running for the "When Will The Archives Be Released Poll" on Rust ran by Randy back in 1997. We guessed 2001. The other leading contestant "Never". Of course, the "Never" answer may still win!


At 5/12/2008 11:19:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for the great summary of what people are saying about the archives. Seems to me that there's something here for everyone ... the die hards will figure out a way to raise the cash and get the mother lode in all its glory, the kids will rip it for free in their bedroom - the new radio -- and people in between will figure out a way to make higher quality copies.

We all know that Neil does what Neil wants to do. He's never pandered to the fans, the media, the labels, the promoters and its worked pretty well. I think his quote in Shakey says it all ... he's going to create one of his crowing achievements on HIS terms and who ever shows up shows up. I plan to be there ready to buy the mother lode just hope its sooner rather than later.


At 5/13/2008 04:37:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for reminding me.
The show in Wienna was worth every euro and if i knew how good it is going to be, i'd be prepared to pay double the amount i did.
I give my well earned money for a lot of useless stuff of mediocre quality and this concert was probably the best spent money in my life.
So there is no way that i am going to complain about bluray or not, the price of archives and so one.
The man knows and i trust him.

At 5/13/2008 05:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both the artists and the distribution media are trying a lot of different things these days to get the material ou to their customers in a profitable way. This seems to be another unique attempt.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out since Neil's original fan base won't have Play Stations and the next generation of Bluray (everyone says to wait for it) won't be out yet.

Personally I think we're looking at a flop, at least in the short term.

At 5/13/2008 05:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it´s Vienna, not Wienna.

At 5/13/2008 08:30:00 AM, Blogger said...

I love DVD-Audio. The 3 discs I have (including Harvest) are phenomenal. I would really love a book--you know, paper, ink, glue all stuck together--to read while I listen to the archives on dvd- audio. That would make a Christmas gift to keep me in my PJ's all day long on Christmas morn. Ah, we can dream....

At 5/13/2008 08:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HeyHeyBuyBuy or HeyHeyByeBye ??

At 5/13/2008 09:30:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am super proud of Neil for taking this approach. whinging dicks aren't true fans.

smoke or drink or eat McDonalds or drive yer carrrrrrrr less, save up and buy it and stop complaining...

i bet it's americans complaining too. try paying the prices the rest of the world do for commodities and get over it

At 5/13/2008 10:22:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I get sick of people who reject new technologies. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. It's really that simple. It's not like this stuff isn't available in bootlegging circles at a lesser quality.

Think about what will happen if we continue to embrace the internal combustion engine for the next 100 years like we have the past. This is a similar situation... there's no reason to halt development of better technologies because some people refuse to pay for them. I say put down your crappy CDs and walk on. ;)

At 5/13/2008 10:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for summarizing the latest controversy surrounding Neil. What makes him so controversial is his unrelenting pursuit to make a point, set it out there for the masses to assess (not necessarily enjoy, although rare is the moment that I don't). Whether it's commercialism, war, drugs, farmers, politics, or, yes, relationships, Neil sets his own course - and it's been an amazing ride. Thanks, Neil. I remember when he recalled 500,000 copies of Comes a Time since the vinyl wasn't right - at his own expense. That's Neil, the thinker and the tinkerer (and once in awhile the stinkerer when he puts out a lemon - e.g., most of Landing on Water)... I want the archives in the best possible format - I want to be sated. I'd prefer that he include a complete pristine version of Journey Through the Past - the movie, that is - how many people have ever seen a high quality version? I'll plop down some cash for a Blu-Ray machine (and perhaps drive a little less, hey, I'll be home with the 10 disks, being sated).

Let his legacy be that he never compromised. Integrity? What's it worth? To me, a lot more than the cost of BR player...

Rock On,

At 5/13/2008 01:03:00 PM, Blogger Zak Claxton said...

Call me a sucker, call me an overprivileged elitist, call me anything but late for dinner. But the moment... the very moment... the Archives are announced as being available, I will be at my local store purchasing a PS3 on which to play them. If I absolutely require to listen to them on my iPod or in my car, I will figure out a way to do so. I don't blame anyone for their opposing opinions. This is just mine.

At 5/13/2008 03:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you'll find that it is Wien. Not Vienna.

At 5/13/2008 05:35:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Thrasher!

Thanks for quoting me on page 1--quite an honor!

I do love Neil; the ugly career boggling left-turns, all the wonderfulness.... And I do want the whole f*cking mess of it.

But, as I mentioned, I am hurting. Not 'hurting' in the cyclone in Burma 'hurt' or the post-Katrina 'hurt' but in the mergers, acquisitions, petty managers, fire those that can't-stay-in-line 'hurt'.

Technically, without full-time work for three ugly BushCo years. Now, I simply dub it 'self-employed.

I'm sure Neil WILL find a way to make a form of the Archives available, even if it just streams from his site.


At 5/13/2008 05:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear commentors,

Why do these people keep saying The Archives should be offered on cd?That WOULD be unreasonable.If anything they(The Archives)if they're being released at all should.Once again.Be offered on the DVD Audio?Video format as well as Blu-ray.Thanks for reading.

At 5/13/2008 06:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, if you live there it's Wien.
Anonymous who said it should be Vienna is probably one of the 95% of americans who've never left the usa.
As for the archives, I'll have one, but I have no idea what a blu ray or PS3 is.
Getting to Toronto and buying a ticket for the first night at Massey Hall cost £600 and like the guy from Wienna said it was worth every penny, every song was priceless.
2 Toronto gigs, 2 London gigs & 2 tickets on the wall for festivals in July and maybe The Archives for Christmas, what a year.

At 5/13/2008 07:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Archives have been delayed time and time again for nearly twenty years as Neil has searched for a format versatile to contain it. He finally finds that format, and he's met with what...? Ungrateful whiners who call themselves fans. People who obviously don't realize that if it's not Blu-ray, it'll be the next technology. Not DVD. Certainly not CD. Be happy that he's finally settled on something and that it's finally coming out. Cripes!

As for the so-called "marketing disaster"—I don't think it was ever believed that this would be a huge seller. Neil's doing it for himself because he doesn't trust anyone else to do it after he bites the bullet. Whether it be blu-ray, DVD, CD, cassette, vinyl... the only people buying this thing are the diehards. It ain't about sales.

At 5/13/2008 10:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I consider myself a true fan, having seen Neil with the Springfield in LA back in the late '60s (shortly before their final concert). I saw him perform solo at Royce Hall on the UCLA campus in 1971, along with 800 other students and fans. And I've seen him more times than I can count, though not in quite a few years because I simply refuse to pay today's concert ticket prices (plus I hate the obnoxious drunken assholes who always seem to sit near me). I'm currently working freelance, and I'm lucky to make enough to pay the mortgage and health insurance premiums; according to my city's Finance Department (I have to have a biz license to work freelance) I'm living at 50% below the city's poverty level! So forget about buying an HDTV and a Blu-ray player. I've always been one to think, "Please, Neil, the archives before we die!" -- and *IF* in fact they are *FINALLY* released, well, I guess I'll have to sit this one out, just as I have done concerts over the past few years. I don't listen to MP3s because I abhore the sound quality, so I won't be picking these up over the web (besides, I don't illegally download movies and music; I just don't). For me, a good DVD-A audio set would do me just fine -- and I could probably afford to spring for that, alas....

At 5/14/2008 02:58:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe some of the whines I'm reading on this subject.

We all know Neil will do what he wants and he will probably change his mind before Autumn (fall for the 95% in the US) anyhow.

With all the hype I wonder if some people will be disappointed anyhow. From what I've seen of the tracklist I have heard most of the unreleased tracks on some sort of format. Hopefully though these are the first recordings of each one and it would be cool if thre was a link to other versions of the song (live, acoustic or different like Winterlong on the piano).

I wonder if people think they'll get 8 or 10 discs on a par or as consistent as After The Goldrush!

I could probably do without it for a while - maybe a year until the price of blu ray came down but I am sure the tracks will turn up on an audio basis some where.

I agree with what someone said about the Massey Hall LP - I thought the sound quality of that was great.

Like I said I can't wait for the Archives but we've got time to get this - I would personally rather get to see Neil again live next year than get the Archives yet. Plus you've always got Rust radio to listen to most weekends - they play some fantastic rare stuff.

I also agree with the guy who went to Massey Hall & London twice - what a year! - here in Europe we've been treated to two tours! I can't remember that happening ever - 3 dates last time round and Dublin to come (wish I'd done more but who knows what's to come from Neil next year) - I agree the tickets are expensive but hasn't that issue been answered before becasue everyone agreed the concerts were well worth it. I spend so much buying CD's and tickets for artists I quite like but I wouldn't be put off paying more when it's Neil. I haven't had the opportunity of seeing Neil in his early days but I won't let the price get in the way of me seeing Neil when I can now.

One thing I will say on the Archives is that I can't wait for the second instalment - 1972/3 to end of 70's.

Neil was on fire for most of this time and recorded tons of stuff. I wonder what people will reckon the performance series ones will be - I would't mind Bottom Line 74, or Boarding House 78. Maybe a full show from the 73 US tour (I know he didn't enjoy it but it had a cool set list) or the Santa Monica Flyers tour (got a great version of Manchester - where you hear and sense the crowd thinking 'whats going on'!!) I've heard him go on about a great live tape from japan in 76 (Osaka I presume) so this will probably be there.

I don't think anyone other than Neil can contemplate something like this project - not even the Stones. I can't think of anyone else who has all this unreleased stuff or original versions of songs or just about every live live concert they've done.

All in all lifes good at the moment for a Neil fan - so please don't whine about it. Enjoy these great times while they last (even if it means dropping a couple of nights out to do so!)


At 5/14/2008 08:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the poster above...

FINALLY someone comments on the tracklisting, and not about the format

the Archives can be released on cd,on dvd,on blue-ray......but who cares what format it's released on if the tracklisting sucks?

i'm in complete agreement with the poster above,the second installment of the Archives will deffinately be the most innaresting

i'm looking forward to neil's unrelesaed album from 1975....Homegrown,with songs like Mexico,Try,Florida...can't wait!

-Marc C

At 5/14/2008 10:57:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

jesus christ.. german: wien, english: vienna; not Wiennea. that´s what i meant.

At 5/15/2008 07:48:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blu Ray Reality......

At 5/15/2008 10:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will take 6-12 mths for prices of bluray players to drop - but every ps3 has one and word is the new version of Microsoft xbox 360 will have an inbuilt bluray player. Once the price drops everythign will change . If a dvd player becomes faulty, you can replace it with a bluray ,which still plays most dvds in the market.

At 5/17/2008 03:25:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll still believe it when I see it, not holdin' my breath, eh?

and as for the price and format... well, thank God for piratebay.

At 5/17/2008 04:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear commentors,

Just read something on another site that's kinda innaresting.Seems that Warner Bro's/Reprise might be thinking about when and if they might release portions of the Archives on DVD and cd.Hopefully they and Neil will be so kind as to at least put out the video portions,The Riverboat show,unreleased tracks and JTTP on DVD Audio/Video and cd.I still say that the sound quality on the Massey Hall and Filmore shows DVD's AND cd's are incredible.To me it sounds like Neil's in my living room when I listen and view the Massey show.Thanks for reading.

At 5/17/2008 06:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

^Post a link.^

At 5/18/2008 10:25:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the link to the possible dvd/cd release that one of the other guys is talking about :

Be interesting to see whether Neil agrees to it , or has a choice

At 5/20/2008 04:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

credit to the guy, he has put off the archives for years because he had a vision of how it should look and I think we hve to support him in staying true to his beliefs. I think they will be amazing. I do have two concerns.
The already released archives CD/DVDs Fillmore and Massey. How will they sit with the new stuff? Will they be reproduced or are these completely seperate. Why did he release these if he planned to go to Java?
Also the sound quality sure, the blue rays are better sound quality but won't the blu ray player be playing through my TV? I can assure you my TV sound quality is not as good as the DVD home theatre I bought to experience the recent DVD audios neil has released. I am not a technological guy but will a blu ray player or PS3 play through my home theatre or do they come with speaker systems? I really do not want to be replacing another system. Also will my untrained and slightly deaf ears be able to tell the difference? Please some one help me out on this.

At 5/20/2008 04:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not going to rush out and buy a blu ray just yet and I would recommend no one else does. In the last year the Archives have gone from an 8CD release and 2 DVD release, to just a DVD Audio release and now blu ray. And that is not rumours, these announcements or leaks have all come out from reprise/warner. Next week it will probably be announced Neil is going to wait for the Star Trek Holodeck which will allow us to be physical experience the fillmore live in 1971. I'm joking of course but seriously keep the cash in your wallets for the time being. Technology moves so fast we do not know what decisions will be made between now and Christmas. Looking forward to Malahide, Neil! What band are you bringing?

At 5/21/2008 10:46:00 AM, Blogger Sandy said...

Thanks for the summary, Thrasher. It makes it such that "check on Neil once in a while" types like me can get up to speed.
Sandy, Lake of Bays

At 5/21/2008 04:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so happy, I can hardly stand it! That short preview looks amazing and will buy a PS3 just to experience it. (Will it work just as well on the typical Blu-Ray player or does it require the PS3 for memory reasons?)

I don't want it on CD, but I sure hope that in his decision to do all of these high quality remastering jobs he releases it on VINYL.

I just received Live at Fillmore East on Vinyl last week. I paid $44.00 and it was worth every penny! I would gladly pay several hundred for a limited vinyl set.

At 5/22/2008 10:07:00 AM, Blogger Will Kouf said...

In the newest Rolling Stone (Eagles cover) there is a really small blurb about the Archives and it mentions an October release date. They also asked Neil about a price and he said they weren't sure yet, but it would be expensive.

At 5/26/2008 02:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't understand what he fuzz is all about. The cheapest blu-ray players cost les than 300 euro's and they will be cheaper in the future. Hey, I bought a DVD player because of the Road Rock DVD...I guess this is the time for me to buy a blu-ray player.....
And about the comment that blu-ray's can't be ripped, I think this is only a matter of time.....

At 5/30/2008 03:50:00 PM, Blogger Paul Lieberman said...

"Older, wealthier Neil fans can make the investment and many have a truer appreciation of quality sound."
Hey if you've been listening to rock and roll for 40 years, and especially if you've been to any Neil concerts, your ears are shot and you can't hear the difference anyhow.


At 6/23/2008 07:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

An open letter to Neil Young:

Neil, every day we lose a few more rusties; true fans who never got to hear/see the archives. It saddens me when I consider that it might happen to me and others I know who think of you as a true genius and who admire your work. Our brains should not rest eternally without the large body of your work processed and integrated into them. Yeah, your work should be out there with the "Big Spirit" - and they should not be wasted solely on the youth who may not "get it" - let's let the adoring rusties have their fair share to take with them on the interstellar highway.

I know that an ambulance can only go so fast, and that it is way too easy to get buried in the past, (while trying to make a good thing last), but I consider you as one of the very few artists that are timeless.

Perhaps you fear that issuing the Archives will close another chapter, taking a huge bet off the table that you've been riding for 30-odd years. Hey, I will also bet that there is absolutely NO WAY you would ever issue everything in your arsenal anyway -there will always be the "archives - archives" for some posthumous collection...

So, let's have it - on Blu-ray or whatever, but, please, don't put it off any longer - I don't know how long I can continue to get decent medical reports...

At 9/10/2008 07:00:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work in an office, play music, watch TV, listen to the radio, and I have never heard of blu-ray and don't have time or feel like researching a new technology. All I want to do is go into a store and buy Neil Young Archives in CD form so I can listen to it in my truck while I'm coming home from work. Is that too much to ask since without people like me who have been buying his albums and attending his concerts, Neil wouldn't have the luxury of doing "whatever" he feels like. Don't forget the fans! This note's for You!

David in VA

At 9/13/2008 04:56:00 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

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At 9/13/2008 04:57:00 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

check this out!

At 10/13/2008 02:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Archives update-


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I'm Proud to Be A Union Man


When Neil Young is Playing,
You Shut the Fuck Up

Class War:
They Started It and We'll Finish It...

A battle raged on the open page...
No Fear, No Surrender. Courage

"What if Al Qaeda blew up the levees?"
Full Disclousre Now

"I've Got The Revolution Blues"

Willie Nelson & Neil Young
Willie Nelson for Nobel Peace Prize

John Mellencamp:
Why Willie Deserves a Nobel



Love and Only Love

"Thinking about what a friend had said,
I was hoping it was a lie"

We're All On
A Journey Through the Past

Neil Young's Moon Songs
Tell Us The F'n TRUTH
(we can handle it... try us)

Does Anything Else Really Matter?

"Nobody's free until everybody's free."
~~ Fannie Lou Hamer

Here Comes "The Big Shift"

Maybe everything you think you know is wrong? NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS
"It's all illusion anyway."

Propaganda = Mind Control
Guess what?
"Symbols Rule the World, not Words or Laws."
... and symbolism will be their downfall...

Brighter Planet's 350 Challenge
Be The Rain, Be The Change

the truth will set you free
This Machine Kills Fascists

"Children of Destiny" - THE Part of THE Solution

(Frame from Official Music Video)

war is not the answer
yet we are
Still Living With War

"greed is NOT good"
Hey Big Brother!
Stop Spying On Us!
Civic Duty Is Not Terrorism

The Achilles Heel
Orwell (and Grandpa) Was Right
“Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.”
~~ Bob Marley

The Essence of "The Doubters"

Yes, There's Definitely A Hole in The Sky

Even Though The Music Died 50+ Years Ago
Open Up the "Tired Eyes" & Wake up!
"consciousness is near"
What's So Funny About
Peace, Love, & Understanding & Music?


Show Me A Sign

"Who is John Galt?"
To ask the question is to know the answer

"Whosoever shall give up his liberty for a temporary security
deserves neither liberty nor safety."

~~ Benjamin Franklin


(Between the lines of age)

And in the end, the love you take
Is equal to the love you make

~~ John & Paul

the zen of neil
the power of rust
the karma of the wheat